GX460 vs T4R

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CreeperSleeper said:
It has been a long time since I have seen an argument this dumb on Mud...

The 5th Gen 4Runner, 150-Series Prado, and GX all have the same platform. I.E. the bones are the same. /Thread
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Shared architecture is so common these days. Would you suggest the Audi Q7 and Bentley Bentayga are the same? They sit on the same platform. So soes a VW Golf and Audi TT. I mean Camry, Corolla, Prius, Rav4 and Lexus RX all shared the same MC platform.

A GX/Prado have different engines, gearboxes, suspensions, fit and finishes, layouts, seating arrangements and amenities. They are different vehicles in a different price point. Sure, they share some similarities but at the end of the day, one is a more expensive product, the other is more entry level off roader.

I mean the FJ shared the same architecture, shortened mildly, had the same engine an gearbox too as the T4R, but it was a very different vehicle.
 
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If anyone considering choosing between these and surprisingly still reading this thread, I will offer my input. I used to have 2(his and hers) 2014 T4R’s and have since replaced one with a 2014 GX 460. We sold an SR5 and kept the Trail Ed w/KDSS. Both of our T4R’s had Toytec lifts, aftermarket UCA’s, wheels, tires, with the Trail version having a aluminum Hefty Fabworks front bumper. I felt the full time 4wd was a better option for my wife, and she wanted other amenities such as heated/ventilated seats, leather, etc. We decided on looking at a brand new T4R Limited and a pre owned GX. When discussing this with my wife, she said she wanted a brand new Limited vs a pre owned GX. We first test drove the 2018 Limited and it simply felt no different than our other ones. The ride was slightly different for obvious reasons of XREAS vs lifted and KDSS, but we weren’t wowed by the “amenities”. How does a 2018 Limited not have automatic LED daytime running lights? This technology has even been in Chevy’s for several years now. We then test drove the 2014 Premium GX 460 and she immediately said “I want this”. It felt much more luxury than the Limited. The positives over the Limited. Ride, leather, auto LED running lights, quieter, auto adjusting mirrors when in reverse, powered folding side mirrors, rain sensing wipers, heated out board rear seats, 3 zone climate control. I liked it a lot better also and it was $9500 cheaper than the new Limited. The GX had 39,000 Miles, one owner, Lexus dealer maintained. We like it so much, I am entertaining selling my Trail and buying a GX to build. With all that said, it all depends on what you want/do with your vehicle. If you are a pavement queen, no doubt I would choose a GX. I would not buy a brand new GX due to the depreciation compared to a T4R. Hope this helps a little more than the bickering above.
 
Good input, but the last two posts just excuse themselves from the argument and say the exact same thing me, JetBoy and others have been saying all along.

The gx is just a heavier 4Runner, in business casual. The increased weight is offset by the v8, at 11% cost in efficiency.
 
The V8 is the only thing that matters...


and the heated leather seats.
 
I wasn’t clear whether you were still looking.

22Eyunu35VO said:
I was just trying to get a full gas tank skid since stock one is only half the tank and most vendors told me not likely direct fit. I think a thread on confirm fitment of 4Runner/GX underbody protections is in order.

In the end everyone... go out and enjoy your rigs!!!
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Fuel Tank Skid Plate
 
Five months later...

So, as a Toyota loyalist and novice when it comes to particulars in an off vs on road debate (I don’t off-road much, but I drive highways a lot), I enjoyed this thread for the most part and learned a lot.

Maybe it’s midlife crisis, losing a grandmother who was more like my mom plus my 14 years old yellow Lab in the last year, or being a single Dad of an incredible son who turned 5 over the summer and went off to kindergarten last week reducing my parenting time for the next 9 months (all of the above?), but I’ve played musical chairs a few times with Toyota’s / Lexus’s since January. I’m now in a 2018 Toyota 4Runner TRD Off Rd Premium with KDSS and the TRD package in Magnetic Gray. This after beginning the year in a Toyota 4Runner Limited and selling that to go to a 2016 Lexus GX460 Luxury model (AHC, heated steering wheel, ventilated seats, leveling / turning headlights, etc) in Nebula Gray / Ecru. I also have a 2013 FJC Trail Teams (cement) with the TRD wheels and K02’s which is the most fun of any vehicle I’ve had to drive. And I sold my 2001 100 series LC to help pay for it. I’ve owned two 80 series LC’s (a ‘97 and a ‘94), an ‘02 LX 470, and an ‘05 GX 470.

Here’s what I think, from a devoted to Toyota SUV’s, heavy highway driver, and somewhat novice weekends off-road perspective: When it comes to the Toyota 4Runner and Lexus GX discussion (the 100, 200, and LX 470 and 570 are clearly in a different category), the sweet spot for me seems to be either a 4Runner TRD Off Rd Premium with KDSS -or- a 2010-2013 GX460 (pre aggressive bowtie grill) -or- a 2005+ GX470 with more powerful V8 and removeable third row. I think the TRD Pro is good, but with neither KDSS nor sunroof, not as good as the Off Rd Premium with KDSS. On that note, I just drove through a brutal two hours heavy rainstorm in the KDSS equipped 4Runner last week. Much better handling than the heavier GX460 that I had driven through the same type storms with. And I say much better knowing the GX460 also has KDSS, and I thought it was good. But the sheet metal on GX’s seems much thicker like the 100/200 and 470/570.

Anyway, that’s my updated .02.
 
willgabriel said:
On that note, I just drove through a brutal two hours heavy rainstorm in the KDSS equipped 4Runner last week. Much better handling than the heavier GX460 that I had driven through the same type storms with.
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Interesting, I would assume that the full time 4WD would provide better stability than the 2WD 4Runner in wet conditions. Tire choice would play a role of course. Our heavy rain storms rarely last more than a few minutes.
 
I found myself in the same boat as many here. GX460 vs T4R.
Not trying to revive the arguments from previous pages at all. I simply don't care if it is the same car or not and what button makes them different.


I look at it in a different way.
V8 with limited power (due to ECU/TCU combo) vs V6 supercharged (yes, I know the T4R is also non responsive unless fitted with a sprint booster.
My wife has a 2014 GS350, which I think it's just horrible from a few points of view including navigation, all infotainment controls and lack of power (3.5 V6 not the same as T4R or GX460 I know that). Anyway, she hate the car and she will get a different brand once the lease is over.

The GX460/T4R would be for me.
I would hate to use the features made by Lexus (infotainment system) as a daily driver. To me it's pure madness. So, in this case I am leaning toward T4R.
Would this be a good choice considering the addition of a Magnuson supercharger.
I would be looking at the Limited version due to some features I like, but I would love a heated steering wheel.
Am I at the same time overhyping the bad design laid out in Lexus products?
 
Dragos80 said:
I found myself in the same boat as many here. GX460 vs T4R.
Not trying to revive the arguments from previous pages at all. I simply don't care if it is the same car or not and what button makes them different.


I look at it in a different way.
V8 with limited power (due to ECU/TCU combo) vs V6 supercharged (yes, I know the T4R is also non responsive unless fitted with a sprint booster.
My wife has a 2014 GS350, which I think it's just horrible from a few points of view including navigation, all infotainment controls and lack of power (3.5 V6 not the same as T4R or GX460 I know that). Anyway, she hate the car and she will get a different brand once the lease is over.

The GX460/T4R would be for me.
I would hate to use the features made by Lexus (infotainment system) as a daily driver. To me it's pure madness. So, in this case I am leaning toward T4R.
Would this be a good choice considering the addition of a Magnuson supercharger.
I would be looking at the Limited version due to some features I like, but I would love a heated steering wheel.
Am I at the same time overhyping the bad design laid out in Lexus products?
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Wow what a thread with name calling and everything, T4R vs GX really brings out the best in people.

We went for the GX be cause of the following reasons:
1. Wife hates the T4R, don’t ask me why
2. GX is made in Japan....So is T4R

Other small non essential reasons:
buttery smooth V8 that gets 20 on highway, really sucks gas in city driving though
MUCH quieter, literally whisper quiet cabin....there is a reason for 1000lbs heavier than T4R
Smoother ride
Handles great thanks to kdds
MUCH nicer interior and over all fit and finish
Almost the same price as the loaded T4R
The very rarly used hird row seats
MUCH nicer seats
Lexus service, dealing with Toyota dealers is a drag. Also free Lexus rental car for oil change/services.
Has Mechanical fan clutch and non-direct injected engine, still has the soul of a true LC!
Auto dimming side mirrors are my new love
Cooled front seats are awesome on hot days
Light on and under the running board
LED headlights are nice to have


At the end of day buy what you want and can afford. We buy Lexus only because their service and MADE IN JAPAN! Lease is different, BMW has really good lease deals, like cheaper than Camry lease deals.


If you complain about price difference then go to truecar.com and check the difference between a base GX and loaded T4R....difference will be very small specially after cash offers or incentives. And Lexus usually have lower interest rates too!

One day I’ll make enough money to buy the 200s, until then all this is poor man’s LC.
 
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Just so you know the 4runner is also built in Japan on the same assembly line as the GX, and PRADO.


Qball said:
Wow what a thread with name calling and everything, T4R vs GX really brings out the best in people.

We went for the GX be cause of the following reasons:
1. Wife hates the T4R, don’t ask me why
2. GX is made in Japan....end of thread!

Other small non essential reasons:
buttery smooth V8 that gets 20 on highway, really sucks gas in city driving though
MUCH quieter, literally whisper quiet cabin....there is a reason for 1000lbs heavier than T4R
Smoother ride
Handles great thanks to kdds
MUCH nicer interior and over all fit and finish
Almost the same price as the loaded T4R
The very rarly used hird row seats
MUCH nicer seats
Lexus service, dealing with Toyota dealers is a drag. Also free Lexus rental car for oil change/services.
Has Mechanical fan clutch and non-direct injected engine, still has the soul of a true LC!
Auto dimming side mirrors are my new love
Cooled front seats are awesome on hot days
Light on and under the running board
LED headlights are nice to have


At the end of day buy what you want and can afford. We buy Lexus only because their service and MADE IN JAPAN! Lease is different, BMW has really good lease deals, like cheaper than Camry lease deals.


If you complain about price difference then go to truecar.com and check the difference between a base GX and loaded T4R....difference will be very small specially after special cash or incentives. And Lexus usually have lower interest rates too!

One day I’ll make enough money to buy the 200s, until then all this is poor man’s LC.
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Knowbuddy said:
Just so you know the 4runner is also built in Japan on the same assembly line as the GX, and PRADO.
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Wow didn’t realize that, most of the Toyota lineup has going to the crappers now they are outsourcing not only to us but also to Mexico. 2016 Tacoma and newer is complete garbage, I would rather buy a Chevy.
 
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My brother in law got a new GX460 so I guess I can test drive it and see the details of the dreaded infotainment system. (I remember him saying something about the lack of power although it has a V8)

I am still heavily leaning toward the 4Runner due to it's simplicity over the GX460. 350hp/350tq in a lighter car make a lot more sense in my case.

All new cars are set up for economy and the ECU takes all the fun out of driving.
My wife drives her car strictly in Sport+ mode because otherwise it would be faster to walk.
 
Dragos80 said:
My brother in law got a new GX460 so I guess I can test drive it and see the details of the dreaded infotainment system. (I remember him saying something about the lack of power although it has a V8)

I am still heavily leaning toward the 4Runner due to it's simplicity over the GX460. 350hp/350tq in a lighter car make a lot more sense in my case.

All new cars are set up for economy and the ECU takes all the fun out of driving.
My wife drives her car strictly in Sport+ mode because otherwise it would be faster to walk.
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Yes it’s a V8 and yes it’s slow if you are use to faster cars then a T4R with super charger would be a better choice, also as far as ride goes you probably will upgrade suspension rather quickly so no big deal. Also the infotainment system is a little dated but so is the rest of the car and it’s much harder to upgrade if not impossible with the GX. If you gonna do all the upgrades then might as well go with a base runner and have at it.

We got the GX for how quiet and smooth it is but also I won’t be messing with it for a long while since it will be on kids duty for a long time.
 
So a lot has changed since I last posted here.

My brother in law has traded his 2018 GX460 in fr a Chrysler Pacifica.
That says a lot.
Did not go for a test drive with his car and unlikely will look at one in the future.
 
Well for starters one is a BOF, V8, “three” row suv, and the other is a mini van that can comfortable hold 6 people. Two very different vehicles. Odds are that he needed more space for kids?
 
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