Good dog for young kids... (1 Viewer)

[re_guderian]

more on this topic. anyone had much experience with Malamutes and kids? i have the malamute, and it's a breed i can foresee me having for the rest of my life. just trying to work out if this means kids are off the drawing board

If you have to ask, then yes, kids are off the drawing board for you...

 

[Atticus]

We've seen your picture. I don't think kids are going to happen, dude. Besides, girls who cut themselves and od on pills every other week don't make the best moms.

 

[OZCAL]

this is not true. a dogs sins are a reflection of it's owner, therefore are the sins of the owner. the dog goes straight to heaven.

Therefore all dogs are good dogs.

 

[Cube Dweller]

B.S. with a disclaimer.

a dog you take in that you found at the park, yes i agree. but one through a responsible rescue agency has been temprement tested beyond what it's likely to encounter in a normal home. and has the added advantage of not having the hormonal clusterfawk of going through puberty.

a puppy may not display a strong prey drive until it matures. getting a mature dog without that drive is a better bet it won't develop. again, treat ALL dogs with the same caution, realising that their jaw will destroy child flesh.

Bull****. Rescues are trying to place as many dogs as possible to prevent euthanasia. I would never adopt a rescue dog again with young children.

 

[bad_religion_au]

Bull****. Rescues are trying to place as many dogs as possible to prevent euthanasia. I would never adopt a rescue dog again with young children.

did you miss the "responsible" in my post? don't lump all rescue places together because you can't do your homework

 

[bad_religion_au]

I don't think kids are going to happen, dude. Besides, girls who cut themselves and od on pills every other week don't make the best moms.

hence why i don't have kids already. i may be stupid, i'm not irresponsible

 

['74 UA FJ]

B.S. with a disclaimer.

a dog you take in that you found at the park, yes i agree. but one through a responsible rescue agency has been temprement tested beyond what it's likely to encounter in a normal home. and has the added advantage of not having the hormonal clusterfawk of going through puberty.

a puppy may not display a strong prey drive until it matures. getting a mature dog without that drive is a better bet it won't develop. again, treat ALL dogs with the same caution, realising that their jaw will destroy child flesh.

Is the the pound a responsible rescue agency? Because that's where 90% of the people "rescue" their dogs.

 

[poohsfj]

Labs

My two labs are wonderful with my two kids.

 

[Tofudebeest]

Gotcha, whatev then. Some people care what people think of them, some don't. Fortunately for you there's the internet, not much chance of real consequences to consistently being an ass online.

I consider the source.

black labrador retriever is the best pet a kid could ever want.

Can't really argue with that, but why specifically black and not chocolate or yellow?

ever think of a great pyrenees. they shed but tough as nails, if any dog has a chance at a cougar, it would be these dogs. My mom had one on her property, it ran off the coyotes and was great with my half bro and sis (they were little, 5 & 2). Thing was big too, almost 6' when he stood up and weight around 160.

They're also quite nocturnal and bark at EVERYTHING. Maremmas too.

you would be crusty too, if you poured hydrogen peroxide on your fxxxing hand three times a day.

Hydrogen peroxide can be destructive to tissue. Best to avoid it.
There are better, safer disinfectants. But...you aren't about to listen to me, Mr. know-it-all.

did you miss the "responsible" in my post? don't lump all rescue places together because you can't do your homework

Amen and

Is the the pound a responsible rescue agency? Because that's where 90% of the people "rescue" their dogs.

Did you know that 87.4% of statistics are made up on the spot?

 

[Atticus]

Can't really argue with that, but why specifically black and not chocolate or yellow?

Because black is beautiful and because chocolate and yellow are recessive traits. When you breed specifically for recessive traits, you end up with problems. A purebred black labrador with a hunting background and a family history of no hip problems is a stellar dog. Medium build, blocky head, good manners, good temperament, muscular, sociable. All the positive traits one could want in a dog.

 

[Cube Dweller]

did you miss the "responsible" in my post? don't lump all rescue places together because you can't do your homework

I did. Given the drivel you typically write, I went against my better judgment and actually skimmed one of your posts. My bad.

The rescue we adopted from is highly respected in this area. I found them based on a couple referrals from people I trust. With the volume of foreclosures here, apparently standards have been relaxed.

 

[Tofudebeest]

Because black is beautiful and because chocolate and yellow are recessive traits. When you breed specifically for recessive traits, you end up with problems. A purebred black labrador with a hunting background and a family history of no hip problems is a stellar dog. Medium build, blocky head, good manners, good temperament, muscular, sociable. All the positive traits one could want in a dog.

I agree, but unless you are not aware about these genetics, a litter of lab pups can include all the colors. Breeders do often select for color in labs, but more often (and rightfully so), that's a secondary selector. There are some who feel the genetics from Chesapeake Bay retrievers (which VERY likely contributed the chocolate color genes) provides some minor "hybrid vigor" over pure black lines. Almost anything that diversifies the gene pool is going to produce healthier animals. If you just breed black labs to other black labs, they'll be less healthy, regardless of the dominance of the black coat genes.

Selecting for recessives (like light coat color) does not necessarily result in the selection of deleterious genes as well. In labs, there is no known disorder or disease associated specifically with coat color, and that's because the recognized disorders and diseases in labs are not the result of genes on the same alleles or loci as the coat color genes.

Labrador Retriever coat colour genetics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Atticus]

I agree, but unless you are not aware about these genetics, a litter of lab pups can include all the colors. Breeders do often select for color in labs, but more often (and rightfully so), that's a secondary selector. There are some who feel the genetics from Chesapeake Bay retrievers (which VERY likely contributed the chocolate color genes) provides some minor "hybrid vigor" over pure black lines. Almost anything that diversifies the gene pool is going to produce healthier animals. If you just breed black labs to other black labs, they'll be less healthy, regardless of the dominance of the black coat genes.

Selecting for recessives (like light coat color) does not necessarily result in the selection of deleterious genes as well. In labs, there is no known disorder or disease associated specifically with coat color, and that's because the recognized disorders and diseases in labs are not the result of genes on the same alleles or loci as the coat color genes.

Labrador Retriever coat colour genetics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We used to raise labs. I've had great experience with black labs, but have dealt with a lot of goofy chocolates and yellows. Maybe it was just luck of the draw.

Also, I think it's a bad idea to just pull labs out of an unknown litter for a pet. There's been way too much interbreeding of labs. You need to concentrate on a pure one, at least if you want one who can be both a good housedog and a good sporting dog (which is probably not that important to you).

 

[Tofudebeest]

We used to raise labs. I've had great experience with black labs, but have dealt with a lot of goofy chocolates and yellows. Maybe it was just luck of the draw.

Also, I think it's a bad idea to just pull labs out of an unknown litter for a pet. There's been way too much interbreeding of labs. You need to concentrate on a pure one, at least if you want one who can be both a good housedog and a good sporting dog (which is probably not that important to you).

OK, not to continue this into 'ab absurdo' territory, but it was luck of the draw, probably. If by "interbreeding", you mean cross breeding with other breeds, I agree. Breed crosses may produce nice dogs, but they( e.g. "Labradoodles"), are not labs. Unfortunately, the number of responsible breeders who carefully monitor their stock for weaknesses are so far outnumbered by the puppy mills and typical backyard breeders who advertise in the local paper that it makes finding a quality specimen a real challenge. I think the European (i.e. "English") Lab stock is vastly superior to the American in regard to health and robustness.

As for what need I would have with a good sport dog, I do find "soft mouth" an important trait, as well as not being "gun shy". Those dogs who are gun shy tend to be highly destructive and anxious in thunderstorms, (boy do I have first hand experience with that!). Of course, the better they are as retrievers means the more tireless and incessant they will likely be with that slimy tennis ball.

I have had several sporting breeds, including Irish Setters and Labs, and no doubt they are wonderful dogs. A little boring, but solid.

 

[Johnnymiz]

skillet, i got an airedale for a few reasons.
1. im allergic to dogs..so i'm stuck with a terrier type dog. they dont shed(they lose hair, but not like a shedding dog), dont smell.
2. i wanted a large-ish dog, so the cairn, border, westy, etc. terriers were out.. i hate yappy dogs and the smaller you go, the yappier they are, generally
3. airedales are NOT in vogue.... so well bred ones are generally good dogs....not being pumped out by every puppy mill on the planet.
got a wheaten terrier 16 years ago before they were the rage...he was the perfect dog...clean,smart, quiet. but now that they are popular and every puppy mill is pushing them out, i notice that the breed has suffered....like all dogs that get popular. at one time, i had the only one in my town..now there are like 30 of them. so i didnt get another one....i like being different from the pack.
my airedale is great. well socialized, so he's great with my kids. doesnt fight other dogs but is no pussy when around them. is a water dog (airedales were originally a cross between an welsh terrier and an otterhound..so his coat is a little oilier than a wheaten). very very smart. protective of his castle...big teeth.

try to see one that hasnt gotten the airedale cut. they look better just shaggy., in my opinion

that being said, i think the poodle is also a great choice for all the same reasons. if i didnt get an airedale, i wouldve gotten a poodle.

 

[Johnnymiz]

airedale without the "airedale cut". my boy, Duke, tonight on the sofa.

 

[OZCAL]

OK, not to continue this into 'ab absurdo' territory, but it was luck of the draw, probably. If by "interbreeding", you mean cross breeding with other breeds, I agree. Breed crosses may produce nice dogs, but they( e.g. "Labradoodles"), are not labs. Unfortunately, the number of responsible breeders who carefully monitor their stock for weaknesses are so far outnumbered by the puppy mills and typical backyard breeders who advertise in the local paper that it makes finding a quality specimen a real challenge. I think the European (i.e. "English") Lab stock is vastly superior to the American in regard to health and robustness.

As for what need I would have with a good sport dog, I do find "soft mouth" an important trait, as well as not being "gun shy". Those dogs who are gun shy tend to be highly destructive and anxious in thunderstorms, (boy do I have first hand experience with that!). Of course, the better they are as retrievers means the more tireless and incessant they will likely be with that slimy tennis ball.

I have had several sporting breeds, including Irish Setters and Labs, and no doubt they are wonderful dogs. A little boring, but solid.

Not sure what you mean by 'ab absurdo'. Can you explain your usage here? Because I don't see the application.

 

[bad_religion_au]

Is the the pound a responsible rescue agency? Because that's where 90% of the people "rescue" their dogs.

depends who runs them. over here in Australia, most of the ones run by the RSPCA and Animal Welfare league i would put in the "responsible" category. my experiences have been moreso with breed specific rescue organisations tho.

 

[ATLcrusher]

OK, not to continue this into 'ab absurdo' territory, but it was luck of the draw, probably. If by "interbreeding", you mean cross breeding with other breeds, I agree. Breed crosses may produce nice dogs, but they( e.g. "Labradoodles"), are not labs. Unfortunately, the number of responsible breeders who carefully monitor their stock for weaknesses are so far outnumbered by the puppy mills and typical backyard breeders who advertise in the local paper that it makes finding a quality specimen a real challenge. I think the European (i.e. "English") Lab stock is vastly superior to the American in regard to health and robustness.

As for what need I would have with a good sport dog, I do find "soft mouth" an important trait, as well as not being "gun shy". Those dogs who are gun shy tend to be highly destructive and anxious in thunderstorms, (boy do I have first hand experience with that!). Of course, the better they are as retrievers means the more tireless and incessant they will likely be with that slimy tennis ball.

I have had several sporting breeds, including Irish Setters and Labs, and no doubt they are wonderful dogs. A little boring, but solid.

Not sure what you mean by 'ab absurdo'. Can you explain your usage here? Because I don't see the application.

You didn't see how he destroyed Atticus' position there? Huh.

 

[VCCruzr]

I highly recommend a Rottweiller. They are big enough to fight off a big cat and gentle enough to be raised with young children. Give them love, good training, and make them a member of the family and you will be rewarded with a loyal protector. I just had to put down my beloved rottie "Boomer" after having the priveledge to have his companionship for the last eleven years, got'em when he was just 8 weeks old. Put him thru a couple of positive reward obedience classes as a puppie, loved and treated him as one of my own children and ended up with the best family dog one could imagine. I never experienced a scary moment with him being raised with and around my 3 young children.

https://forum.ih8mud.com/ca-socal-80s/377420-feel-like-i-lost-child-today.html

Because of him I have love this breed and adopted another, Max.

No matter what breed, just invest the time in a little training and love the heck out of them. Good Luck!