Fossil Springs Cleanup Sept 15, 2007
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Love the new sig line Phil!!
Ohmygod, I see another Shotts diatribe in our future.
Where's all the friggin pics? I know I saw cameras going off all over the place.
The clean up went well. as always it was hard work, but we made a difference, the place looks much better than how we found it,
Big thanks to the trail teams and sponsoring vendors.
After dinner the entertainment started, we were setting around, doing what CSC members do best, BSing and started hearing what to me sounded like an animal in distress. As it got louder, closer it was someone yelling and for sure one word was HELP! We started calling back and hauled out to the road in the trucks. We were meet by a pair of guys that looked like they were straight out of a "Freddie Kruger" movie, covered in blood, when I pulled up one of them collapsed across my hood!
Turns out they were in a quad accident and pretty torn up, got an ambulance out there and loaded them up. Made an unsuccessful attempt at locating the family and about the time the ambulance left, sure enough here they come walking up the road, intoxicated mom and a bunch of kids. Very distraught, crying about how she needs to be in the ambulance, plenty of drama for all!
The quad went off the road with enough force to split this big juniper tree and was sitting on it's branches. If not for the branches it would have been at least another 50' down the cliff!
This looks exactly like the quad that came up to my son Chris and I earlier in the day. He had a beer in one hand and an empty in the other. He stopped and gave me the empty and said that CSC was doing a wonderful service out there. I told him he should not be drinking and driving, there were kids all around the area and that the forest service was around. He said good bye, took a swig of his beer and drove off. That turned out to be a good oportunity to mention to my son how drinking and driving any vehicle was not cool. He agreed. Sorry that the guy got banged up.
Sorry the tree got banged up.
The club will winch that during next clean up.
I saw the crash site in daylite the next day and it scared the daylights out of me! It was at least a 60 foot drop nearly vertical to the creek. They caught the only tree that was there to catch them over the whole area. If they had missed the tree by even a foot, they would have died instantly. They went bodily through the tree and landed well beyond it on the cliff face. They crawled up the face and walked 1/2 mile to reach us. In the condition that they were in another 1/4 mile of walking might have killed them.
Every member of the club acted in an heroic manner and I commend all of our group for a rescue operation that was well done. Every member took on a needed role and a rescue was promptly effected. I was impressed! We were able to save lives that evening.
When I brought the families of the injured down to our camp, I was impressed by the help that was offered to them. I only promised them a ride to our own camp, a trip to their place to get needed items for an overnight stay with us. I did not promise them a ride to a place from which they could use a phone or have the comforts of home. Our own people offered those helpful services. Several of our people went beyond the call of duty.
Every member of the club acted in an heroic manner and I commend all of our group for a rescue operation that was well done. Every member took on a needed role and a rescue was promptly effected. I was impressed! We were able to save lives that evening.
When I brought the families of the injured down to our camp, I was impressed by the help that was offered to them. I only promised them a ride to our own camp, a trip to their place to get needed items for an overnight stay with us. I did not promise them a ride to a place from which they could use a phone or have the comforts of home. Our own people offered those helpful services. Several of our people went beyond the call of duty.
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The problem is that they all seem to think that the wilderness is just another park. It is a wilderness! It is a place where you can be killed. You can die here! It is a real wilderness. It is not a parkland. People fail to understand this. It is possible to die here! We do not control your behavior in the wilderness. If you do not behave in an intelligent manner, and you die in the wilderness, that is your problem. We are not responsible for your fate.
I know that he is totally responsible for what happened to him. I still think that it is unnecessary and would not wish it on anyone. I am glad however that our group lent a helping hand regardless of the circumstances.
Yes (thanks Kev) missing two blue cloth alum captains chairs left near the TT bbq tent-
I have one extra trash picker left at the Tacoma ( who owns it?)
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It was a long night... after administering first aid, at the request of the lead EMT Kristina road up to Pine in the emergency vehicle (I followed along to pick up Kristina) by the time they met the Helicopters out of Pine it was past 11pm so we camped up near Payson (then left in the AM for Scottsdale) saw Maureen in the FJC heading South in the morning.
They two accident people were flown to an undisclosed valley emergency room. They will be hurting for weeks. Those two were fortunate that the CSC's were in the area, everyone really pulled together an helped out. Not sure how well they would have survived out there...
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It was great to meet the Trail Team, have a chance to share Alaska experiences and talk Toyotas with Robbie , and hang out with the club
WOW what a trail clean up this year
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Great job on the trail clean up! Amazing amount of trash ----It was really fun hanging out with the FJ Trail team and having them contribute so much to our trail clean up and cooking up all that food!
The evening sure did get crazy. The guys that were seriously hurt from the ATV accident--were sur lucky that our team was there. Initial first aid/trauma treatment goes a long way into keeping them safe from future damage to themselves. With our quick resposnse in stabilizing them, getting blankets, towels and lights, they will survive this time. A big thanks to everyone who helped get these guys tot he ambulance. Kevin--for getting that call out asap, Robbie, for his first aid help that let me administer first aid to both seriouly injured victims. Pasquale for quickly packing up camp and following us up the hill in the ambulance and getting me out of there afterwards!
It was quite a trip riding up the hill in the ambulance with these guys and the paramedics. The one guy had SERIOUS abrasions all over his face, head and arms--possible concussion. He was resposnive and very polite. The other guy was in a real bad way. He dad several broken ribs, potential internal injuries and a serious concussion. The flight/helicopter ambulance was waiting for us in Pine where the air-vaced them to hospitals in Phoenix. Not a pretty sight.
This experience really emphasises how much we need to educate people, on trash, riding and driving responsibily and common sense!
Great team effort all the way around!
The evening sure did get crazy. The guys that were seriously hurt from the ATV accident--were sur lucky that our team was there. Initial first aid/trauma treatment goes a long way into keeping them safe from future damage to themselves. With our quick resposnse in stabilizing them, getting blankets, towels and lights, they will survive this time. A big thanks to everyone who helped get these guys tot he ambulance. Kevin--for getting that call out asap, Robbie, for his first aid help that let me administer first aid to both seriouly injured victims. Pasquale for quickly packing up camp and following us up the hill in the ambulance and getting me out of there afterwards!
It was quite a trip riding up the hill in the ambulance with these guys and the paramedics. The one guy had SERIOUS abrasions all over his face, head and arms--possible concussion. He was resposnive and very polite. The other guy was in a real bad way. He dad several broken ribs, potential internal injuries and a serious concussion. The flight/helicopter ambulance was waiting for us in Pine where the air-vaced them to hospitals in Phoenix. Not a pretty sight.
This experience really emphasises how much we need to educate people, on trash, riding and driving responsibily and common sense!
Great team effort all the way around!
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Really, what they were more lucky to have was YOU and the knowledge you had in first aid/trauma. Not that Robbie didn't play a big part in it himself and more than likely would have been the go-to if you hadn't been there, but you immediately took charge of the situation and knew exactly what had to be done and what not to do.
I think we all had at least basic first aid sense and if need be would have stepped forward to try our damnedest, but you handled it like a professional. I say these guys had three lucky breaks that night....first one was that they hit the tree and didn't plummet to the canyon bottom...second was that they unknowingly walked the wrong way trying to make it back to their camp, and stumbled on our group...and third, that they had someone with in-depth knowledge to assess their injuries and give them whatever help they need till the paramedics showed up. Way to go Christina
I think we all had at least basic first aid sense and if need be would have stepped forward to try our damnedest, but you handled it like a professional. I say these guys had three lucky breaks that night....first one was that they hit the tree and didn't plummet to the canyon bottom...second was that they unknowingly walked the wrong way trying to make it back to their camp, and stumbled on our group...and third, that they had someone with in-depth knowledge to assess their injuries and give them whatever help they need till the paramedics showed up. Way to go Christina
Well said John... Kudos to Christina for sure.
Hey Kudos to everyone for sure! This was the most impressive team effort I have ever seen. It took the collective all of this to make this rescue happen---including taking care of the poor family afterwards. Man, that could not have been pleasant--but thankfully you guys were there to care of the wife and family ---who musta' been freaked out!!
Once again--CSC rocks!!
Once again--CSC rocks!!
Christina's right everyone deserves kudos, but she and Robbie get an extra dose for getting the training necessary to triage the injured until the professionals arrive. When we are in remote locations, emergency services are scarce, therefore, we must be prepared to take extraordinary measures in the event of emergency.
I was highly impressed with the group's response in this case. We answered an emergency without losing sight of what's important like safety, security and the children. With little direction, everyone slipped into a vital role without overwelming one task. I don't believe we could have handled the situation any better had we planned it. For once I can accually say I am proud to be a member of this club.
Anyone who knows me knows my opinion on the DOQ factor. I find it appalling that our society turns a blind eye to drunk driving off road. However seeing a Darwin Award candidate up close is sobering. When lives are at stake, culpability no longer matters, we must lend a hand if it is within our capacity to do so.
I have been watching the local news sites and there has been no mention of the accident. This is probably good news for the victims. It is also a pity, a story about two drunks on a quad being rescued by a four wheel drive club who happened to be on site to clean up other people's garbage might open a few people's eyes.
When we are in remote locations, emergency services are scarce, therefore, we must be prepared to take extraordinary measures in the event of emergency. I was highly impressed with the group's response in this case. We answered an emergency without losing sight of what's important like safety, security and the children. With little direction, everyone slipped into a vital role without overwelming one task. I don't believe we could have handled the situation any better had we planned it. For once I can accually say I am proud to be a member of this club.
Anyone who knows me knows my opinion on the DOQ factor. I find it appalling that our society turns a blind eye to drunk driving off road. However seeing a Darwin Award candidate up close is sobering. When lives are at stake, culpability no longer matters, we must lend a hand if it is within our capacity to do so.
I have been watching the local news sites and there has been no mention of the accident. This is probably good news for the victims. It is also a pity, a story about two drunks on a quad being rescued by a four wheel drive club who happened to be on site to clean up other people's garbage might open a few people's eyes.
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... For once I can accually say I am proud to be a member of this club.
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For once?!
:whoops: Get out the flame suit!
Brother Rob has some ideas that have merit. (Mostly relayed to me by phone.) They have to do with strict DUI enforcement in the forest. Unfortunately, they probably can't be implemented. But how about this one? We might re-introduce the old copper-colored AZ license plate from the '70s. Require it on all unlicensed vehicles that operate on public lands. Then we could at least report fools, idiots and drunks, not to mention litterbugs! They seem to think that because the vehicle is not licensed, the rules of common sense are suspended. They are wrong!
A second idea could be public service announcements by the Forest Service on radio and TV. They should let people know that while the enforcement by an officer may be relaxed, you may very well be arrested for DUI on even the remotest trails. Operating an unlicensed vehicle anywhere while flaming drunk is not acceptable!
There are many other forest rules that have been forgotten. The 2wd has right-of-way over the 4wd. The climbing vehicle has right-of-way over the decending one. There were once universal hand signals to alert oncoming traffic to others in a group following the leader so that they know to look for other traffic and how many. Such things used to be published in newspapers. Nobody seems to know these things anymore.
I hold up a hand and then some fingers to oncoming traffic and they look at me like I am flashing gang signs. They are clueless until they hit the truck behind me. Then they cry that the fenders are bent! I am trying to warn them and they do not know the signs. It is simple; a fist with the thumb pointing back says "Behind me". Two fingers up says "Two more trucks." (or bikes) A strong nod, thumb up, or thumb and forefinger OK sign recognizes the warning. It is not that hard!
We should clean up, we should bring our own firewood if available. We do not cut down trees. We don't modify the terrain.
When I was growing up here, everyone knew this stuff.
These things need to be publicized!
A second idea could be public service announcements by the Forest Service on radio and TV. They should let people know that while the enforcement by an officer may be relaxed, you may very well be arrested for DUI on even the remotest trails. Operating an unlicensed vehicle anywhere while flaming drunk is not acceptable!
There are many other forest rules that have been forgotten. The 2wd has right-of-way over the 4wd. The climbing vehicle has right-of-way over the decending one. There were once universal hand signals to alert oncoming traffic to others in a group following the leader so that they know to look for other traffic and how many. Such things used to be published in newspapers. Nobody seems to know these things anymore.
I hold up a hand and then some fingers to oncoming traffic and they look at me like I am flashing gang signs. They are clueless until they hit the truck behind me. Then they cry that the fenders are bent! I am trying to warn them and they do not know the signs. It is simple; a fist with the thumb pointing back says "Behind me". Two fingers up says "Two more trucks." (or bikes) A strong nod, thumb up, or thumb and forefinger OK sign recognizes the warning. It is not that hard!
We should clean up, we should bring our own firewood if available. We do not cut down trees. We don't modify the terrain.
When I was growing up here, everyone knew this stuff.
These things need to be publicized!
Um, ATVs and stuff do require license plates here in AZ.
You have to have a tiny RV plate if you never drive it on the roads. If you do make it street legal, it gets a MC (motorcycle) plate.
If the rig doesn't have any plate...its being operated illegally - no registration, and may be stolen?
You have to have a tiny RV plate if you never drive it on the roads. If you do make it street legal, it gets a MC (motorcycle) plate.
If the rig doesn't have any plate...its being operated illegally - no registration, and may be stolen?
