Forced articulation air bag system question

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I enjoy just cruising thro the woods with the simplicity of a set of good coilovers.

I would ditch that goofy asssed "look at me" suspension.

The links and truck look great just get rid of those bags and shocks and enjoy the benefits of a nice coilover ride instead.

Bags are for supporting heavy loads and not for wheeling.

Too many things to fail. Just a limb can kill a line or a bag and cause a dangerous situation.

Sometimes thinking outside if the box is not effective or efficient but looks real cool and gets lots of comments.

I prefer to wheel at a nice pace and just dont see myself happy with a bagged setup.
 
You reminded me of nice quote. "just because you are unique, it doesn't mean you are useful"

I enjoy just cruising thro the woods with the simplicity of a set of good coilovers.

I would ditch that goofy asssed "look at me" suspension.

The links and truck look great just get rid of those bags and shocks and enjoy the benefits of a nice coilover ride instead.

Bags are for supporting heavy loads and not for wheeling.

Too many things to fail. Just a limb can kill a line or a bag and cause a dangerous situation.

Sometimes thinking outside if the box is not effective or efficient but looks real cool and gets lots of comments.

I prefer to wheel at a nice pace and just dont see myself happy with a bagged setup.
 
bags can be really useful.

There is no reason why they are any worse than any other linked spring system.
 
Oh man, this is some great stuff, exactly what I was looking for.

My biggest concern about the setup was the natural articulation I would be able to get with the bags. It sounds like I may be able to get more than enough. Again, I know the only realy way to know is to get out there and test it.

One of the things that your comments helped me to better understand is this. I was really worried about the onboard air system keeping up with the bags. The bags are so big that it drains the tank quickly. I envisioned that I would have to be working the controls constantly. However, if the bags do work much the same as a spring suspension then perhaps they can take 95% of any trail and the forced articulation only needs to be used in extreme cases. Does that sound about right?

Walking Eagle, I am intrigued with your idea of linking the bags together some how, that is definitely going in the "must think about this later" category. And thanks for the link to that controller.

Chop Shop, to be honest, I was thinking along those same lines when I picked the rig up. But I must admit that some of the comments here have me a little more optimistic about the capabilities of this set up.

I have a rock wall in my back yard and beyond that some little hills made for motorcycles, maybe tomorrow I will have to piss the neighbors off a bit, take off down the rock wall and see what kind of articulation I get on the little hills. :)

More to come.......

Thanks again everyone.
 
Ya', there is no need to fiddle with it if you don't want to, set it and forget it.

As far as air bag reliability - OTR trucks put literally a million miles on them. Yes, you have to make sure your lines and bags are protected. But you can have a tree rip a heater hose off too (I know from experience). It's also not a bad idea to have a shrader valve around so you can just disconnect the whole air system and just fill up the bags individually in case something happens to the system. If you're really paranoid, carrying an extra bag might add to piece of mind. But that's up to you. Oh, and I'm not a fan of the reliability of quick connects. They work, if they're good ones. At work we cycle a leak tester 2,000 times a day with the swagelok style connectors - the metal ones, the plastic is crap. If we have any leaks in the system we get a false failure, which costs us production. If we had lots of leaks, we'd loose big money. So they can be good, but if I'm not messing with the system often, I'll take a good ole fashion compression fitting. If the top of the bag is secure, you could actually run hard lines for the majority of the system.

If it was my set-up, and I didn't have the cash to fittle with a fancy control system, I'd only adjust it for a few reasons and they won't be real often-

1. Dump it all the way down to make entry and exit easier - which on that beast is going to be difficult no matter what! :)

2. Raise it to get a better aproach angle or breakover angle at a paticular obstical. Again, if I had bags on my ride, even with 37's and long travel shocks (I could probably raise over 8" from ride height) at max height I still wouldn't have your approach angle.

3. Adjust for a heavy load. I'm guessing you don't use it for hauling bags of dirt from the home depot. So not likely an often deal for you.

4. Setting ride height for different terrain. Low ride height w/ 30% compression 70% extension for crawling, bump it up to 50/50 or 60/40 for faster moving open stuff.

5. Add the cross over for no other reason than "Why not".

Hopefully the PO set the system up well. You can always add a bigger tank and a second compressor if you really find yourself playing with it alot.

Assuming you're locked front and back, I want to see the trail that you can't do WITHOUT playing with the system to force articulation. I'll be taking the bypass on whatever obstical that is!

One last thing- if the airbags don't have internal bumpstops (some do, some don't) make sure you're bumpstopped to protect the bags. I beleive Cody C was having issues with that.
 
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Thank you all again.

Walking Eagle, those are some great points. Thanks.

One of the first things I need to do with the system is fix the leaks. If it sits for a day or two the airbags lose air and they lower. I am sure it is just some bad connections and inferior valves. As I tear into this, do you or anyone else have suggestions on where to look for good parts and technical help?
 
I really like the idea of an air-spring system, with the right controls, it's clearance when you want it. I'm hoping to work over a similar system in the next few years, but with shorter bags, that way, when I'm in town, I have a stable, low COG, and when I'm on the trail (I'm less a wheeler and more of an explorer) I'd have the option of additional clearance for fording, passing obstacles, straddling trees, or just elevating myself up to cab height with the gaint asphalt wheelers in town to play the ol' Grey Poupon joke on them.

As to your leaks:
What's your ambient temperature lately? Colder air in your springs could eb condensing, casing some sag. Food for thought.
More pics please!
 

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