First Land Cruiser After Four 4Runners — Here’s What I Think (9 Viewers)

[Knowbuddy]

Not necessarily, but the 200 CV’s are exponentially stronger than the 250’s, and if those are breaking, then they are really nerfing the power output on the 250 (which has a higher torque rating, what?)

Having beefier running gear is a good thing in the long run.

But are current cv axles on the 250 breaking left and right? If they are not then this is all conjecture.

 

[Zill]

But are current cv axles on the 250 breaking left and right? If they are not then this is all conjecture.

We know they are detuning the power from the powertrain to not snap the weaker components. Why would we want that?

 

[Knowbuddy]

We know they are detuning the power from the powertrain to not snap the weaker components. Why would we want that?

Do we? Care to post Toyota saying exactly that?

 

[Zill]

Do we? Care to post Toyota saying exactly that?

Toyota won’t publicly say what the fix was for a multiple of reasons, but that’s an easy one to infer…

They went too thin on the running gear and it snapped. They nerfed something in the powertrain to not let it happen again, but I wish we didn’t have to go down that route if they simply put in adequate components to allow for the full power to be utilized.

I’m curious to see what happens to these weaker components when 10 years of salt exposure gets to them.

 

[Knowbuddy]

Toyota won’t publicly say what the fix was for a multiple of reasons, but that’s an easy one to infer…

They went too thin on the running gear and it snapped. They nerfed something in the powertrain to not let it happen again, but I wish we didn’t have to go down that route if they simply put in adequate components to allow for the full power to be utilized.

So now we are just assuming? We don’t have any real data or proof?

 

[Zill]

So now we are just assuming? We don’t have any real data or proof?

You can’t beat physics.

You proved my point in your earlier post.

If the 200 CV axles can’t handle 401 pound-feet of torque and break, then there’s no way in hell the skimpy 250 series CV axles can handle 465 pound-feet without getting neutered somewhere.

 

[Knowbuddy]

You can’t beat physics.

You proved my point in your earlier post.

If the 200 CV axles can’t handle 401 pound-feet of torque and break, then there’s no way in hell the skimpy 250 series CV axles can handle 465 pound-feet without getting neutered somewhere.

Did I? By pointing out that there is more data for broken cvs axles on 200s than there are for 250s? I don’t believe you’ve proved yours. But I invite you to provide more data and convince me in this specific case of 250 vs 200 that bigger is better. It’s ok to not like the j250 and to love your j200 but to feel the need to comment so frequently how much you dislike it feels … how do I say childish.

 

[Zill]

Did I? By pointing out that there is more data for broken cvs axles on 200s than there are for 250s? I don’t believe you’ve proved yours. But I invite you to provide more data and convince me in this specific case of 250 vs 200 that bigger is better. It’s ok to not like the j250 and to love your j200 but to feel the need to comment so frequently how much you dislike it feels … how do I say childish.

I call a spade a spade for what it is. The 250 which bears the Land Cruiser nameplate has lighter duty running gear than the off road variants of the 4Runner, and I have to applaud Toyota for doing that. It’s wise decision making indeed.

 

[bj70bc]

 

[TWILLY]

Here we go again -- it's 200 o'clock.

Maybe just bump one of the old threads instead of contaminating yet another one?

 

[Zill]

Here we go again -- it's 200 o'clock.

Maybe just bump one of the old threads instead of contaminating yet another one?

Toyota PR staff do read these threads, and now that CAFE penalties have been reduced down to $0, and with the EPA announcement of removing the emission endangerment standard, we may finally see a return of heavy duty design here in the States. If Toyota was smart, they would capitalize on it instead of waiting for other manufacturers to steal their market share.

I look forward to Toyota fixing the glaring flaws with the 250, or better yet, bring the GR 300 here which would be even better.

 

[Knowbuddy]

I call a spade a spade for what it is. The 250 which bears the Land Cruiser nameplate has lighter duty running gear than the off road variants of the 4Runner, and I have to applaud Toyota for doing that. It’s wise decision making

Toyota PR staff do read these threads, and now that CAFE penalties have been reduced down to $0, and with the EPA announcement of removing the emission endangerment standard, we may finally see a return of heavy duty design here in the States. If Toyota was smart, they would capitalize on it instead of waiting for other manufacturers to steal their market share.

I look forward to Toyota fixing the glaring flaws with the 250, or better yet, bring the GR 300 here which would be even better.

Just admit you’re too poor to buy the lx600 and 700h

 

[bj70bc]

Just admit you’re too poor to buy the lx600 and 700h

 

[Zill]

Just admit you’re too poor to buy the lx600 and 700h

No?

The front overhang on the LX needs to be thought about. Also, KDSS is a better system than AHC, but that’s arguable.

And no, the KDSS in the 550 doesn’t work as well. The 550 interior build quality and cramped interior leaves much to be desired if we want KDSS.

The 300 GR has it all, and is what we should have gotten here. Or at least the option for it.

If Toyota could develop a 6.2L or 6.4L V8 iforce for the 300, that would just be icing on the cake.

 

[Knowbuddy]

No?

The front overhang on the LX needs to be thought about. Also, KDSS is a better system than AHC, but that’s arguable.

And no, the KDSS in the 550 doesn’t work as well. The 550 interior build quality and cramped interior leaves much to be desired if we want KDSS.

The 300 GR has it all, and is what we should have gotten here. Or at least the option for it.

If Toyota could develop a 6.2L or 6.4L V8 iforce for the 300, that would just be icing on the cake.

Lol so you can’t afford one and even if you could you’d complain and not buy one because you depend on depreciation. It’s all clear here.

 

[bj70bc]

No?

The front overhang on the LX needs to be thought about. Also, KDSS is a better system than AHC, but that’s arguable.

And no, the KDSS in the 550 doesn’t work as well. The 550 interior build quality and cramped interior leaves much to be desired if we want KDSS.

The 300 GR has it all, and is what we should have gotten here. Or at least the option for it.

If Toyota could develop a 6.2L or 6.4L V8 iforce for the 300, that would just be icing on the cake.

twin turbo 1uz....

 

[Zill]

Lol so you can’t afford one and even if you could you’d complain and not buy one because you depend on depreciation. It’s all clear here.

What? I have the cash to buy one right now.

I have no interest in the 600/700 right now due to the couple of items mentioned above. The 200 is a better car than the 600/700h, but I would be tempted to move over to the 300 GR if they were sold here.

I’m looking ahead to when the 200 needs to be replaced, and it would be nice to have options that aren’t compromised.

Toyota doesn’t have the emissions excuse anymore.

 

[Knowbuddy]

What? I have the cash to buy one right now.

I have no interest in the 600/700 right now due to the couple of items mentioned above. The 200 is a better car than the 600/700h, but I would be tempted to move over to the 300 GR if they were sold here.

I’m looking ahead to when the 200 needs to be replaced, and it would be nice to have options that aren’t compromised.

if the 200 is so great then why would you need to replace it? Seems kinda silly to even question that. But I feel you let the Lx700h depreciate real low brother. That’s most of our play. Glad you’re a wretch like the rest of us… just a poor whiny wretch. Also no need to lie about your cash man, I see your plan.

 

[Zill]

if the 200 is so great then why would you need to replace it? Seems kinda silly to even question that. But I feel you let the Lx700h depreciate real low brother. That’s most of our play. Glad you’re a wretch like the rest of us… just a poor whiny wretch. Also no need to lie about your cash man, I see your plan.

The 200 is going to succumb to age, like all automobiles, and parts support will be phased out. It will need to be replaced at one point in time, and again, it’s nice to have a suitable replacement.

I’m not sure why you’re concerned about my finances? Seems like an odd play since you’re calling me a child in your previous posts.

The 300 GR is a better rig than the 700h, both in the looks and actual off-roading use case.

 

[Knowbuddy]

The 200 is going to succumb to age, like all automobiles, and parts support will be phased out. It will need to be replaced at one point in time, and again, it’s nice to have a suitable replacement.

I’m not sure why you’re concerned about my finances? Seems like an odd play since you’re calling me a child in your previous posts.

The 300 GR is a better rig than the 700h.

I’m sure why you’re concerned about a vehicle you don’t like. So…

Also I’m calling bull****. If people can keep j40s on the road that’s a poor excuse.