February 25th, Snow run II, Yankee Hill

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Wheel speed and momentum :clap::steer:

Its a good thing those little trees decided to stay back when the 60 came up the hill or they would not have seen another green leaf.
 
Just wanted to say that i had a great time with yall. Kevin I appreciate your knowledge and patience with me. I learned a great deal as well. Cant wait to see everyone on the next run! Maybe there will be some mud!
 
Luke, what did you learn about tire selection? I would like to hear more. How did the all terrains compare to mud terrains?
 
Vic, there was an FJ40 with 33x9.50 BFG all terrains (which you can't get anymore) on this run that I pegged as the guy we were going to be pulling with a winch all day. That was dead wrong. That 40 creeped through a lot of that trail with relative ease, without the aid of lockers even. Missed his name, everyone was calling him dad. =) great driver.
The mud terrains did not fair as well in my opinion. Especially the Toyo's. They just dug right down and stayed there. Of course, with a 6,000 pound FJ80, its damn hard to stay on top with any tire.
Ige's new 35" Goodyear duratracks were damn impressive, being almost a perfect hybrid of all terrain and mud terrain. I am crossing my fingers they start prodicing that tire in a 37" variant.
Chucks had his SSR swampers on for this run, and I can't ever figure out why, but SSR's are phenomenal in the ice and snow. Just doesn't add up.
All in all, I'm still sticking to my guns that all terrains are better in the ice and snow, and will be switching in the future. Leon still thinks I've lost my marbles...
 
black95 said:
Vic, there was an FJ40 with 33x9.50 BFG all terrains (which you can't get anymore) on this run that I pegged as the guy we were going to be pulling with a winch all day. That was dead wrong. That 40 creeped through a lot of that trail with relative ease, without the aid of lockers even. Missed his name, everyone was calling him dad. =) great driver.
The mud terrains did not fair as well in my opinion. Especially the Toyo's. They just dug right down and stayed there. Of course, with a 6,000 pound FJ80, its damn hard to stay on top with any tire.
Ige's new 35" Goodyear duratracks were damn impressive, being almost a perfect hybrid of all terrain and mud terrain. I am crossing my fingers they start prodicing that tire in a 37" variant.
Chucks had his SSR swampers on for this run, and I can't ever figure out why, but SSR's are phenomenal in the ice and snow. Just doesn't add up.
All in all, I'm still sticking to my guns that all terrains are better in the ice and snow, and will be switching in the future. Leon still thinks I've lost my marbles...
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Gotta argue about AT's and snow. The snow on this run was the toughest to deal with. Nothing works good in it. If the snow is softer and you can get traction in it AT's plug up and spin where muds paddle. AT's work better in hard pack and ice. Chains only work if you can touch the ground. Speed and flotation is the only way to deal with crystaline snow. The Duratracs are quite impressive in most enviornments. Probably one of the best all around cheaper tire on the market right now.
The white 40 is Ken Davidsons. Treeroots dad. We often are humbled by his stellar driving abilities!
 
Great discussion. Thanks for your observations. I may be buying tires later this year, hence my questions that were prompted by Luke's comments that he learned a lot about tires. Vic
 
Another thing to consider is the weight of the vehicle. The 40 is light and could stay on top easier regardless of tire choice. Chuck had the advantage of a wider tire footprint. He was similar in weight to an 80 but I would argue had more flotation with those tires than any 80 out there. He also had more ground clearance which helped a lot with that heavy vehicle. I still argue an aftermarket sipped MT is a better all around off road choice than an AT unless you are considering street life. Rubber compound also makes a big difference on ice. Yes, Luke I remember that tree but I don't think a soft AT would have helped, but we will never know :D. It was the ice warning that convinced me to chain up at Yankee Hill. If I had to attack the hill again I would try it without chains, I think going up that hill they just dug me in. Lots to consider...
 
I always ran pizza cutters on my 40 until I went with 12.50s this time around. I dislike the 12.50s very much and will return to 10.50s next time around. These 12.50s refuse to wear out and I'm too cheap to take them off prematurely! Oh well, I guess that gives me more time to consider whether to run ATs or MTs. I've been too busy to do any snow runs this winter but hope to do some club runs soon.
 
I really like the look of the bfg MT's, and the 10.50's look great on a 40. I have the 37x12.50's on the 4 runner, and they have great traction everywhere but the slick stuff. They are absolutely horrible on snowy roads. Maybe getting them siped would help. The all terrains are outstanding on the snowy roads. Considering you usually drive a hundred miles to and from the trail, and maybe 20 on the trail, I still say the all terrains are a better choice. Its a hard decision, I went through it to. I figured in the end, I would rather winch up a couple obstacles on the trail, than winch my rig once out of a ditch I hit while sliding off the road at 50 MPH, and considering how much tires cost now days, those MT's sure do wear out fast.
 
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