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we ( 1HD-T owners ) usually never spin our engines at 3500 .. I'm coasting around 2200 rpm with top of 3K between shifts at some points ..

Dave .. go ahead and let us know how that goes ..
 
So you are willingly sacrificing engine cooling capability (there is no way an electric will keep up with a fully-engaged mechanical at 3500rpm!) to get a "better" AC system? Why don't you just add an additional electric fan to the the mechanical one, maybe in between radiators?

Just so I have this right before replying, what fan system did you test to come to that conclusion and just when would you require maximum cooling at 3500 rpm?

regards

Dave
 
'redo' fluid at 140,000 km?
Is there a Toyota part number for the replacement fluid?

Yes...

[FONT=&quot]3,000 Cst. = 08816-03001
6,000 Cst. = 08816-06001
10,000 Cst. = 08816-10001 [/FONT]

However, if you got a hobby store in town you will find the same stuff at a fraction of the price. From my older post on this topic on another forum...

This fluid is also used in RC vehicle difs. So, I stopped by the hobby shop today. They only had one bottle of the 10,000 cst fluid left but will bring in more next week. The product is made by OFNA Racing. The 10,000 cst fluid's part number is 10235. No where on the package does it say the volume. I checked on line. This stuff is sold all over the world and none of the web pages post the volume. My CPAP mask cleaner bottle holds 95ml and this one is the same diameter, so I would guess it has about 60-70ml per bottle. Price is $11.99 CAN, which is better than the US sites I looked at when you include shipping. It is definitely better than Toyota at $14.99 for 18ml. So I recommend you check your local hobby store before buying it at the stealership.
 
I don't need to jump out a building to know that it's going to hurt when I land. Go ahead and let us know how it goes.

You normally require maximum cooling at maximum power output. 3500rpm.

I sometimes tow 2000kgs over 1.5km high mountain passes in up to 45degC temps. Other times we're slogging it in deep sand at 30kmph for 100's of kms in even higher temps. You clearly need a decent setup to get enough cooling. I guess there is an argument that the mech fan is overkill (my temps drop very quickly as I hear the fan engage, and it does roar), but that's why I've bought a Landcruiser. It is overdesigned. This is a good thing.

But I stand by my statement that I think you should add an electric fan to the mech setup.
 
So you are willingly sacrificing engine cooling capability (there is no way an electric will keep up with a fully-engaged mechanical at 3500rpm!) to get a "better" AC system? Why don't you just add an additional electric fan to the the mechanical one, maybe in between radiators?

You see this is where unfounded comments fall down in a sensible debate, your statement in effect is saying put an electric fan that is apparentley not as powerfull in front of a mechanical fan! Surely the electric fans efforts are going to be lost to the power of the mechaincal fan right and may even cause an obstruction?

Remember because of the cowl all air has to come through both rads bar a little 'spill' coming in between the AC rad and the engine rad, the extra an electric fan will give you if mounted in front of the AC rad is only when stationary and the mechanical fan is not picking up any heat from the engine rad.

I don't need to jump out a building to know that it's going to hurt when I land. Go ahead and let us know how it goes.

See here you go again......it depends on how high the buiilding is!

Try to be a bit flexible in your thinking, I have already stated the savings are factual it is the amount that is debated.

I encountered similar comments when I enquired about dumping the 24 volt starter and fitting a 12 volt version and yet NONE of those people had tried it, plenty of 'I think this' or 'my friend said that' etc. Check out: https://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/365673-my-lc-80-thread.html The starter conversion must now be 18 months old, car works perfect and I have no starting issues, no worries about where to put another battery etc all the benefits of a standard 12v system. I stepped up to the plate AND DID IT!


You normally require maximum cooling at maximum power output. 3500rpm.


I sometimes tow 2000kgs over 1.5km high mountain passes in up to 45degC temps. Other times we're slogging it in deep sand at 30kmph for 100's of kms in even higher temps. You clearly need a decent setup to get enough cooling. I guess there is an argument that the mech fan is overkill (my temps drop very quickly as I hear the fan engage, and it does roar), but that's why I've bought a Landcruiser. It is overdesigned. This is a good thing.

But I stand by my statement that I think you should add an electric fan to the mech setup.


I completely agree that Toyota (and many other brands) do not know what you plan to do with your car so have to make sure that various components are 'up to snuff'. I have already stated I never tow, so already I am below what the cooling system 'might' have had to endure, I have fitted electric cooling fans on the following vehicles:

Sierra 2.3 Ghia, Ford Escort V8, V12 6.0 litre Jaguar Coupe 500 BHP and the Discovery in my avatar used in various competitions etc, and never had an issue.

I am pretty certain it will work and I was hoping that someone had genuine experience to save a little research on the best fans to use, for example 'X' fans are good in water etc. 4000+ cfm electric fans are available nowadays, do you have any idea how much the stock mechanical fans can pull? Lets suggest 6000 cfm but do you need that much?

You stated 'my temps drop very quickly when the fan engages' I do not intend to let my temps get that high in the first place, I will not be waiting for the the VC to come to the table, having such precise control that modern variable thermostats bring I will be moving air through the rad much earlier.

I am not a lover of electronics in off road vehicles but something as simple as a couple of fans should not be too much trouble, it appears I will drop the coin and at least try it and can state with authority whether it works or not.

Many thanks for your comments,

regards

Dave
 
As I mentioned I went with the taurus fan that pulls pretty hard and grabs like 40 amps I believe, but if you want a monster electric try and look into the Lincoln Mark XIII fan. Cool thing is that like all domestics once there a few years old there almost worthless so you can get them for pretty cheap. It is a beast and will most likely wear your stock alternator into the ground eventually, but it does pull some serous cfm for an electric fan. here ia a link for a muscle car install. http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2006/10/Mark8Fan/
You can find them on ebay and they are tuff. My taurus fan was used hard for pulling for several years and was only changed out cus I am working the truck harder than I should and really needed to maximise my cooling system. If you just do normal stuff I would say its a good mod. Saving fuel works in theory and I believe it should, but I really didnt notice it myself.
 
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Thanks for that gerg, the article was a good read and the smaller article with a comment from a 'member' mentioned a Dakota digital controller, never seen them before, added to the fav's list which is getting longer all the time.

Thanks again

Regards

Dave

EDIT: BTW, I forgot to mention I have already dumped the 80 amp stock alternator for a Toyota 150amp unit in anticipation of this mod.
 
My truck is 12v actually. 24 volts makes it tuffer. I know it sounds kinda stupid hunting down some old used fans. But when you compare them to what is avalable new, and the prices and longevity and stuff, these old fans start looking pretty good.
 
great info, thanks. the 3000 for cold climes and 10000 for hot ?
No hobby stores near, but dealer is good here.

That is correct. Not sure if the dealer will have it there but they can always order it. You can also order the none Toyota silicon off of the internet. Just search using these terms: differential silicone fluid
 
A cfm specification alone is useless to me. You need to have the static pressure too, to get an idea of amount of airflow you'll actually achieved. Of course there is always the option to just put a fan in and see if it works.

Regarding 12V versus 24V, lots of guys also run 12V winches from 24V systems successfully. Have been contemplating that option too. 24V winches are rare in this part of the world. Never mind bloody expensive. And I'd prefer a PTO winch.

Toyota have catered for the building being pretty high. Which I like. :hillbilly:

Application, application, application. There are so many variables, and for sure you can discard some of them depending on your specific situation. Toyota probably designed the cooling system to still work in 50degC at 3000m (not that it ever reaches that temp at that altitude). You will need a very decent alternator/electric fan setup to keep up. You're halfway there with a decent alternator.
 

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