Driving back from MN in snow after Thanksgiving

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We left Red Wing MN 0800 local on Saturday after thanksgiving. Yup driving right into the teeth of the storm. We were looking at a very long trip back to our home just south of Indianapolis.

The snow was an ever-present challenge for 14 hours. Down the Mississippi coast, to I-90 all the way to Chicago, catching I-80 over to I-65, then to US-30 at Merrillville. Drop Daughter off at College in Warsaw, take unplowed county roads down to catch US-24 over to US-30 to Indianapolis and then home.

Tires: Michelin Defender MS2 (265/70r18 on oem 18s). Stock suspension and driveline. Center diff (edit) unlocked all the way.

The Defenders I bought expecting them to underperform in snow and wet because a hard-compound tires like these (judging by tread life advertised) can't possibly grip in bad weather, right? WRONG.

Snow up to the skidplates on side streets and parking lots was an absolute non-issue at all.

I had to pass very slow traffic in the unplowed fast lane MANY time. More than I could count, because mostly only a single lane was plowed, and often it was plowed hours before any real accumulation. So even the plowed lanes typically had a couple inches in them.

Coming from a more traditional part time 4wd experience reference, the AWD of the GX was an eye-opener. I didn't realize such capability could exist.

But it does and I was so thankful to have it as we got home 15 and one half hours later, a survivor and not a casualty (unlike MANY who were driving in those conditions; I personally witness (and narrowly avoided) two major accidents/spinouts right in front of me.)

A great AWD system means you don't need the tires to do as much work. But when you have good tires *and* and great AWD system, it's another world of capability.

I love my old 2011 warhorse.
 
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I've ran the passenger-car Defenders on several of my wife's cars/crossovers. They are great tires and do very well in the snow. As good on light snow/ice as my GX is with much bigger, 3-peak rated Wildpeaks.
 
We left Red Wing MN 0800 local on Saturday after thanksgiving. Yup driving right into the teeth of the storm. We were looking at a very long trip back to our home just south of Indianapolis.

The snow was an ever-present challenge for 14 hours. Down the Mississippi coast, to I-90 all the way to Chicago, catching I-80 over to I-65, then to US-30 at Merrillville. Drop Daughter off at College in Warsaw, take unplowed county roads down to catch US-24 over to US-30 to Indianapolis and then home.

Tires: Michelin Defender MS2 (265/70r18 on oem 18s). Stock suspension and driveline. Center diff never unlocked all the way.

The Defenders I bought expecting them to underperform in snow and wet because a hard-compound tires like these (judging by tread life advertised) can't possibly grip in bad weather, right? WRONG.

Snow up to the skidplates on side streets and parking lots was an absolute non-issue at all.

I had to pass very slow traffic in the unplowed fast lane MANY time. More than I could count, because mostly only a single lane was plowed, and often it was plowed hours before any real accumulation. So even the plowed lanes typically had a couple inches in them.

Coming from a more traditional part time 4wd experience reference, the AWD of the GX was an eye-opener. I didn't realize such capability could exist.

But it does and I was so thankful to have it as we got home 15 and one half hours later, a survivor and not a casualty (unlike MANY who were driving in those conditions; I personally witness (and narrowly avoided) two major accidents/spinouts right in front of me.)

A great AWD system means you don't need the tires to do as much work. But when you have good tires *and* and great AWD system, it's another world of capability.

I love my old 2011 warhorse.
Glad you didn't have trouble. 😁 The full-time 4WD in the GX is among the best on the planet. Good tires is only part of the equation. I've learned this living in North Idaho. Every winter I push my GX little more to find where it's breaking point is in the cold stuff and so far have been impressed. I see people struggling with their Wranglers and Subarus going up and down some of our steep inclines (of COURSE Subarus) where I just drive right on by like it's nothing. I've driven on snow packed trails with very little trouble, I love it.

On a side tangent, why the hell do Subaru drivers think they're invincible? Wrangler drivers too but mostly Subaru drivers. Newsflash, they aren't. 😆
 
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On a side tangent, why the hell do Subaru drivers think they're invincible? Wrangler drivers too but mostly Subaru drivers. Newsflash, they aren't. 😆
I'm sure it's coincidence, but one of the two accidents I personally witnessed was a Subaru. And it was the super rare variant that didn't have the "who rescued who" accessory package.
 
On a side tangent, why the hell do Subaru drivers think they're invincible? Wrangler drivers too but mostly Subaru drivers. Newsflash, they aren't. 😆
I pulled a stuck F150 out of the ditch once with my 2000 Forester. Kind of hard with a 5MT, no low range, and having half the weight he did :).

Both of our previous Subies (my 2000 Forester and my wife's old 2014 Outack) were definitely better in the snow and ice than my GX. Must be the difference in the AWD system - it's hard to explain but I felt the Subies transmitted power around smoother and had less wheelspin. My GX is certainly good in the snow, but seems to rely far too much on VSC/traction control unless the tires are aired down. The Subies on the other hand were great, almost to the point of not noticing the snow was there. The 5MT Subie with it's 50/50 torque split and viscous coupling center diff was the more fun of the two to drive in the snow, but the CVT Outback actually did a bit better due to having traction control (which activated less and was more effective than the VSC/TRAC in the GX).

However, a GX with a VSC/ATRAC off button has enough power to do this all day long:
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Glad you didn't have trouble. 😁 The full-time 4WD in the GX is among the best on the planet. Good tires is only part of the equation. I've learned this living in North Idaho. Every winter I push my GX little more to find where it's breaking point is in the cold stuff and so far have been impressed. I see people struggling with their Wranglers and Subarus going up and down some of our steep inclines (of COURSE Subarus) where I just drive right on by like it's nothing. I've driven on snow packed trails with very little trouble, I love it.

On a side tangent, why the hell do Subaru drivers think they're invincible? Wrangler drivers too but mostly Subaru drivers. Newsflash, they aren't. 😆
After having all kinds of "4x4's", I've pretty much settled on only ever having an all-wheel-drive with a low range, hence Toyota/Lexus and maybe a couple others.
Not being from the mighty frigid cold northern states, I've heard that having a standard 2 to 4 wheel drive (like most trucks and Jeeps) and locking into 4 by can be dangerous. I've heard that being in 4x4 mode, if one front wheel hits ice and one rear wheel has traction (or vice-versa?) it can spin you around. Thus I love the all wheel drive systems where the little brain under the hood is constantly monitoring wheel speed at all four wheels.
 
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