dreaming again

[crushers]

i really need to get to a shrink one day, i keep thinking up new ways to mess up a perfectly fine cruiser.
i bought a PZJ75 recently and am thinking of switching the box off my HZJ75 onto it and then extending the frame on the HZJ about 4 ft and cab 2 ft and putting a set of dualies on it. air bag suspension, smaller tires, a deck and ramps and i have a perfectly good car hauler...
i am sure i am misiing something here...
okay, probably not a great idea but i just can't seem to get it out of my mind...
can someone point out why this won't work?
probably never build it but it doesn't cost anything to dream, does it...
cheers

 

[lowenbrau]

Probably a dumb idea but fun to think about. The aussie way of adding capacity seems to be tandem axes rather than doolies. That's the way I'd go, on airbags so you can adjust the ride height and capacity.

 

[beanz2]

Let's put it this way. An FJ80 with the same front calipers and thicker front rotors has, what is considered by many, marginal brakes leading Toyota to enlarge the calipers and rotors in 1993. An HZJ75 carrying another vehicle is going to be much heavier than an FJ80.

Dave

 

[Red Herring]

I think your forgetting the lawn chair, kiddie pool, and pink flamingoes on the deck!!

 

[brownbear]

your forgetting this PZJ75 has 1 ton springs/ axles and a load sensing proportional brake sensor. The heavier the load the more brake boost you got.

Not really a 80. Plus the truck is alot lighter. do 80's have load sensing brake controller??

is the same pz I know of Wayne?? My fav truck.

Let's put it this way. An FJ80 with the same front calipers and thicker front rotors has, what is considered by many, marginal brakes leading Toyota to enlarge the calipers and rotors in 1993. An HZJ75 carrying another vehicle is going to be much heavier than an FJ80.

Dave

 

[crushers]

Let's put it this way. An FJ80 with the same front calipers and thicker front rotors has, what is considered by many, marginal brakes leading Toyota to enlarge the calipers and rotors in 1993. An HZJ75 carrying another vehicle is going to be much heavier than an FJ80.

Dave

that is true but most of the braking would be with the rear brakes which would be upgraded at the same time it went to dualies.
in the mines these trucks are rated for 6500 lbs carrying capacity, mind you that is at a max speed of 15 k/h.
the other big concern is the narrow body/wheel base hauling anther vehicle 3 ft in the air so the whole setup could be very "tippy", not a good idea in my books... but then the dualies will make it quite a bit more stable...

 

[tlcruiserman]

i really need to get to a shrink one day, i keep thinking up new ways to mess up a perfectly fine cruiser.
i bought a PZJ75 recently and am thinking of switching the box off my HZJ75 onto it and then extending the frame on the HZJ about 4 ft and cab 2 ft and putting a set of dualies on it. air bag suspension, smaller tires, a deck and ramps and i have a perfectly good car hauler...
i am sure i am misiing something here...
okay, probably not a great idea but i just can't seem to get it out of my mind...
can someone point out why this won't work?
probably never build it but it doesn't cost anything to dream, does it...
cheers

GOOD GRIEF, First you don't have a Cruiser to wheel, and then you want to make a cruiser flatbed.....I give up

 

[crushers]

one night i awoke with this vision in my head of a HZJ75 carrying a HZJ74 to some run i was attending and ever since i can not get it out of my head. it just looked so right.

BTW, the J53 finally got broke. i gave it to my helper to take down and wash the mud off, he towed it behind the HZJ75 and as he pulled the floor mat out he bumped the t/case and the tranny into gear and dragged the truck home, now hte tranny t/case is making this really annoying "stones in a can" sound when i drive it... ooops $$$$. (really embarrasing is i took a visitor for a test drive before i knew about the damage)
this is the reason i am revisiting my dream, to help prevent this from happening again.
anyway, i highly doubt i would get the go ahead to extend the cab and the frame on the 97. something about it would be cheaper to sell the HZJ75 and buy a true car hauler...

you want to come up and do a week long "let's get ol smokey on the road again" cruiser resurection?
;^)
cheers

 

[roscoFJ73]

Wayne ,having those kind of dreams is cruiser overload,simply too much cruiser porn in my professional opinion.

Did your vision look anyThing like this

sweet dreams

 

[Landpimp]

yes they do, in the US they started in 88 with the fj62, rear drum untill 93(most of 93's)+

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Not really a 80. Plus the truck is alot lighter. do 80's have load sensing brake controller??

is the same pz I know of Wayne?? My fav truck.

 

[beanz2]

your forgetting this PZJ75 has 1 ton springs/ axles and a load sensing proportional brake sensor. The heavier the load the more brake boost you got.

Not really a 80. Plus the truck is alot lighter. do 80's have load sensing brake controller??

is the same pz I know of Wayne?? My fav truck.

The LSPV does not boost braking power, it only reduces the hydraulic force going to the rear brakes when it senses a lack of load on the rear axle. The springs carrying capacity is not where my concern is, the braking is. Adding heavier springs will not add any braking power.

The 75 troopy weighs as much as a non-US standard 80. I'd imagine a 75 cab chassis with a bed strong enough to carry another cruiser would weigh the same if not more.

Dave

 

[beanz2]

that is true but most of the braking would be with the rear brakes which would be upgraded at the same time it went to dualies.

If the load is placed correctly along the wheelbase, maybe, but other factors such as terrain, braking force, center of gravity of the load, etc. would dynamically shift the relative braking demand placed on each axle. There is only one way to prove the theory, Wayne. Build it

Dave

 

[Diesel Dude]

Crushers I had a major brain wave about a week ago. Im not sure what you think of FJ45's but I love the look of them I was measureing up a new dodge highoutput cummins and it seems that it wouldnot be that hard to put a FJ45 body on it I was thinking this would be a good fith wheel puller but I suppose if you left the box off or even put on a 70 series cab that would be pretty cool. I think that 650ft.lbs of torque and a nice six speed would be quite nice. I now its not all cruiser but it would be cool.

 

[roscoFJ73]

A proper car hauler is still the best way to go.
Something with about twice the load carrying capacity as you need so you got plenty to spare on the long hills as well as being able to load on extra weight such as a spare motor.


They do a conversion in oz where they stretch the 75 series cab chassis by about a foot.

They replace the section between the suspension perches with another that has about twice the height of the cruiser frame which gives you an idea of the engineering requirements to make it legal.
I think its only good for another 1/2tonne.

 

[crushers]

rosco,
the mine trucks here have a carrying capacity of 6500 lbs, so the weight load is not my concern but braking and COG would be important considerations.
all in all a proper car hauler would be the best way to go...
i guess it is back to shopping the JDM market for a decent low km hauler...
i am sure this dream will come back again, it just looked so good in the mind's eye...
cheers

 

[tlcruiserman]

I still think one of these is your best bet. The 100 series does an amazing job towing (factory rated 7k).

 

[Diesel Dude]

Do you tie to your frame?

 

[tlcruiserman]

Do you tie to your frame?

Yes

 

[Diesel Dude]

You've never had a problem with that it seems very dangerous to me. I could easily see your suspension compressing and the tie downs getting slack and letting go. Is this how most of you tie down your vehicles?
Sorry to steal the thread I'm just curious.
Cheers

 

[tlcruiserman]

I compress the suspension when I tie it down, I have been doing it that way for many years and never had a problem. I know that flatbeds can big car haulers usually tie to the frame. If you search the web you will see sites that tell you one way and the other. I think if it was a car I would be more included to do axle or tires however with the suspensions on SUV's I think it is safer than haveing the body flex around on the trailer. Ideally I should also do an axle for extra safety but no hooks in the middle of my trailer (yet).