Do the new (2016 specifically) LC's come from the factory with synthetic oil?
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indycole
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The maintenance warning comes on 5k miles ahead of time.
^^^ Correct. Toyota dealership oil is Mobil repackaged.
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I'm not sure it would be accurate to say that TGMO 0w-20 is repackaged Mobil 1. I believe it is currently made by Mobil 1 but it is made to Toyota specifications as far as base oil and additive package. I do not believe you could find anything exactly like it being sold as Mobile 1.
Correct. My bad. I automatically write "mobil 1" whenever I write Mobil. Will edit. My Sanka hasn't kicked in yet.
Here is what Toyota website says:
What are the oil change intervals using synthetic oil?
*The 3UR-FBE (Flex Fuel Tundra / Sequoia) are the exceptions to this new change interval program; these engines have not been approved for the 10,000 mile interval at this time. A 5,000-mile/6-month oil change interval is still required for these vehicles. Also, the Flex Fuel 3UR-FBE requires a 2,500 mile interval when operated on E85.
In addition, a quick call to my dealer recommended all LCs models from 2013 and up require synthetic oil so changing at 10K interval is ok as long as your checking your fluids regularly and topping off as needed.
What are the oil change intervals using synthetic oil?
- THIS->Only Toyota vehicles in which 0w-20 synthetic oil is required (except 3UR-FBE Engines*) have been approved for extended oil change intervals of 10,000-miles/12-months. (However, you should continue to check the oil level regularly and top off if needed. That will help your engine get the full benefit of synthetic oil.)
- Vehicles in which 0w-20 is an option to 5w-20 mineral oil, (or 5w-30), will continue to require 5,000-mile/6-month oil change intervals, even if 0w-20 oil is used.
- In the case of vehicles with 10,000 mile oil change intervals, the 5,000 mile service interval has not been eliminated. The traditional 5,000 mile maintenance procedures (such as tire rotation) will continue to be required, and the fluid levels (such as brake fluid) will need to be checked and adjusted at this time.
- If the vehicle operation meets the standard criteria for "Special Operating Conditions" such as: driving off-road, on dirt roads, towing a trailer, making repeated short trips under 32˚ F, or extensive idling; the engine oil must be replaced at 5,000 mile intervals, regardless of what type of oil is used.
*The 3UR-FBE (Flex Fuel Tundra / Sequoia) are the exceptions to this new change interval program; these engines have not been approved for the 10,000 mile interval at this time. A 5,000-mile/6-month oil change interval is still required for these vehicles. Also, the Flex Fuel 3UR-FBE requires a 2,500 mile interval when operated on E85.
In addition, a quick call to my dealer recommended all LCs models from 2013 and up require synthetic oil so changing at 10K interval is ok as long as your checking your fluids regularly and topping off as needed.
gaijin
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If you take a look at the "Warranty and Maintenance" booklet that came with your LC, you will see that oil and filter changes are recommended every 10,000 miles if you are using 0W-20 oil.
However, you will also notice that oil and filtyer changes are recommended every 5,000 miles if you tow, use a rooftop rack, make frequent short trips, extensively idle, or dirve in dusty conditions - in short anything that could be considered "severe" driving conditions.
In view of all that, I would suggest changing oil and filter every 5,000 miles just to be on the safe side.
Having said all that, when I bought my 2013 LC new, I changd the oil and filter at 750 miles, then at 1,500 miles, again at 2,500 miles and at 5,000 miles. Going forward, I change the oil and filter every 2,500 or 5,000 miles based on time/mileage. Certainly overkill and most likely unnecessary, but I enjoy doing the work myself and it does no harm; but most importantly, it makes me feel good.
HTH
A roof rack or short trips does not seem to have any significant impact on oil life in my experience. Towing, idling, etc needs to be a significant amount of the mileage before it comes into play.
I had my last two oil changes tested at Blackstone (Test 1, Test 2, and VOA for comparison). The first change was I believe Toyota GMO (changed by the dealer before purchase). The second is Quaker State Ultimate Durability (VOA TBN of 8.5).
The first was at ~4600 miles, half winter idling, almost all real city driving, except for maybe 1000 miles of highway towing towards the end at 70mph with a 5k# trailer, all of which took 6 months to reach. The kind of driving that nets me 6.5 to 8 MPG all winter. Lots of oil additive still left (TBN of 2.9) and they said try for 6k miles next time.
Second change was about 2 months later after ~6300 miles, 3500+ of that was while towing the 5k# trailer at 70-75mph out to Yellowstone and back (in 4th gear) and a couple local camping trips, the rest was city driving, same as above. Oil additives still looked good (TBN 2.5) and Blackstone said to stretch it to 8k miles next time.
IMO if I was doing suburban and highway driving primarily and wasn't towing regularly I would go 10k miles without worrying. Modern synthetic oils are far superior to conventional 1970s dino oil. Toyota's 10k recommendation isn't so they can sell you a new engine at 150k miles - their engineers are confident you can drive 10k miles between oil changes without issue, and the oil tests that Blackstone did for me confirm it. Even towing and city driving like I do I'm convinced I can easily go up to 8k, though I will likely do mine every ~6 months or 6-7k miles as is convenient for me.
I'm not saying you can't change your oil more regularly, just that the data hasn't show me any significant beneficial reason to doing so.
