Difference between 200 and Sequoia (20 Viewers)

[Carl L]

Agian, 80's 4runner tech = Landy


And Eircca...Explain the poor 8.9 inches of ground clearance? PLEASE!

A solid rear has its place, just not in a world class SUV or even a two door sports car.

For the 20th and last time - solid axles make for a lower lowest point. Look at the 5th gen Patrol which will be sold along the new bling one, it's only 8.3 inches minimum clearance but it'd run rings around a Sequoia off road.

You have no real world experience and can't even read your little internet windows. The Seq has a WORSE approach angle, WORSE breakover angle and the SAME departure angle as the LC200. The Sequoia is a great people mover, good at towing and will go a reasonable way off road...but it won't go as far or for as long as a Land Cruiser.

Once more, does your mother's basement have mold? It can possibly cause severe brain issues and you have the symptoms. Anyhow, you're on my ignore list- to continue this any longer would begin to approach your level of sadness.

 

[pagemaster]

Once more, does your mother's basement have mold? It can possibly cause severe brain issues and you have the symptoms. Anyhow, you're on my ignore list- to continue this any longer would begin to approach your level of sadness.

No need to get all personal.

I'm not going to waste time to explain the "poor 8.9 inches of ground clearance"
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Can you spend time on the Sequoia's higher GVWR?

 

[Eicca]

Can you spend time on the Sequoia's higher GVWR?

"A gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_vehicle_weight_rating#cite_note-GVWR-0 is the maximum allowable total weight of a road vehicle or trailer when loaded - i.e including the weight of the vehicle itself plus fuel, passengers, cargo, and trailer tongue weight."

So it can carry more cargo or haul a heavier trailer (the latter being the more likely since the Sequoia is built like a Tundra).

Can you spend time explaining how that makes it more capable off-road?

Imagine that. Land Cruiser > Sequoia.

 

[sptsdn]

Can you spend time on the Sequoia's higher GVWR?

You're really trying to argue about 25 lbs on a 7000lbs+ vehicle? (Sequoia GVWR: 7300 lbs vs LC's 7275 lbs)

 

[Eicca]

You're really trying to argue about 25 lbs on a 7000lbs+ vehicle? (Sequoia GVWR: 7300 lbs vs LC's 7275 lbs)

And THAT makes me laugh.

 

[Combat Chuck]

And THAT makes me laugh.

but don't laugh at the curb weight! Curb weight is the key to toughness, and you're an idiot if you don't know that.

Written in Comic Sans to express sarcasm.

 

[Combat Chuck]

...
The Sequoia has a stronger frame as the springs are not the issue.

but seriously, what in the world does the absence of springs have anything to do with frame toughness?
Coil springs, as found on the 200, are mounted into buckets attatched to the frame as a boxed housing. Not installed into the frame. The frame is solid, and fully boxed, not to mention buttressed to withstand, say an impact, with no sharp edges to shear the metal with strain.

Furthermore, both suspension systems - the beam axle and the independent garbage - utilize a comparably similar coil spring arrangement, in comparable locations - one uses the springs to absorb and return energy transferred from the axle housing, the other uses the springs to absorb and return energy transferred from the arms reinforcing the CV axle. So to say that one frame is somehow made weaker by the presence of springs that are also on the other frame is not only asinine, but patently ignorant.

As to the toughness of independent suspension systems, the leading heavy-duty trucks sold to consumers all have a solid beam axle: the Ford Super Duty and the Dodge Ram Cummins all run solid front axles, solid rear axles. Both trucks lead the market in sales, and are marketed on the basis of toughness and durability. Why would they not run fully independent suspension?

IRS: "Built CR-V tough!"

 

[Eicca]

IRS: "Built CR-V tough!"

And THAT makes me laugh even more.

 

[hoser]

Wrong!

Toyota used to set the bar. Now they are far behind.

The 1st gen Sequoia actually had a better rear than the new Land Cruiser. 5 link vs 4 link

Wrong again. The Land Cruiser has a 4-link with a Panhard Bar (lateral control rod). This is otherwise known as a 5-link suspension.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

GUYS! GUYS! GIVE UP! ADMIT IT! The LC/LX is inferior overall to the Sequoia. Can't we all agree on this?

 

[Combat Chuck]

GUYS! GUYS! GIVE UP! ADMIT IT! The LC/LX is inferior overall to the Sequoia. Can't we all agree on this?

To be honest, I don't think either one is "superior" to the other. I think that ones have unique traits that make them better suited to niche environmments than other, but all-around, there is no "better" critter.

We are talking about the Blue-Footed Booby, right?

 

[bjowett]

IRS: "Built CR-V tough!"

How about LCV tough?

 

[Eicca]

How about LCV tough?

Buuuuut it's got independent front suspension...!

 

[Carl L]

The Sequoia is a far better tow vehicle. Wheelbase is king.

The LC is better at everything else. If towing 7000lb, however, I'd opt to install airbags as well either way.

Amen.

Did the Rowher 5 mile trail the other week. Not the most demanding but good views and handled it all easily. Very impressive wheel articulation for such a practical vehicle. Good to put the RTI 550 score to the real world test and proof that fun can had driving vehicles away from the track. I leave town tonight and will driving my friend's Defender when I arrive. I still miss mine though my passenger's sure are relieved.

 

[bjowett]

Buuuuut it's got independent front suspension...!

It has full independent suspension, front and rear. Oshkosh produces a whole range of Tak-4 Independent Suspensions... cool stuff.

TAK-4® : Oshkosh Defense

 

[Carl L]

It has full independent suspension, front and rear. Oshkosh produces a whole range of Tak-4 Independent Suspensions... cool stuff.

TAK-4® : Oshkosh Defense

Sure does. But as you know, there's a great deal of difference between... 1) the off-road specific "indy" suspension on this Tak-4 or a H1. 2)the very advanced and impressive indy suspension on a Range Rover or LR4, and 3) the heavy but more simplistic and road-biased setup on a Sequoia or Ford Explorer/Expedition which lack articulation.

 

[pagemaster]

the heavy but more simplistic and road-biased setup .

Just curious where you get your facts from?

The Sequoia can haul, and tow more. Has a higher GVWR. And has the same Toyota-EMS hydraulic shocks as the LX470.

Just curious where your facts are coming from?

People should remember, the LC hauls less, tows less, and has a lower GVWR than that of the Sequoia. Also has over 1 inch less in clearance.

Seems to me that Toyota has built the Sequoia to meet higher numbers.

Also, the Sequoia is faster 0-60 but weighs more.

Looking at the numbers, the Land Cruiser only really has a higher MSRP which IMO inflates the "egos" of the LC200 owners.

 

[Eicca]

Looking at the numbers, the Land Cruiser only really has a higher MSRP which IMO inflates the "egos" of the LC200 owners.

The other thing that inflates the "egos" of LC200 owners is the fact that the LC200 is more capable off-road.

 

[pagemaster]

LC200 is more capable off-road.

Compared to a Highlander yes.

Compared to the Tundra/Tacoma/FJ and yes the Sequoia, the Land Cruiser is by far the worst in ground clearance and tied for being worst at app.dep with Sequoia.

Keep in mind, Tacoma/Sequoia/Tundra are all in double digit ground clearances, the LC is under 9 inches. Right there, 8.9 tells me that a LC can't go as far as a Sequoia.

 

[Eicca]

Compared to a Highlander yes.

Compared to the Tundra/Tacoma/FJ and yes the Sequoia, the Land Cruiser is by far the worst in ground clearance and tied for being worst at app.dep with Sequoia.

Keep in mind, Tacoma/Sequoia/Tundra are all in double digit ground clearances, the LC is under 9 inches. Right there, 8.9 tells me that a LC can't go as far as a Sequoia.

Did you even pay attention to the part where the ground clearance is measured by the lowest possible point? On the Land Cruiser, the lowest point is the bottom of the rear differential. So yes, at one tiny place on the vehicle, the ground clearance is only 8.9 inches. 98% of the components underneath the LC are at least 11 inches off the ground, differential housings and control arm brackets being the only exception.

How about this. You don't say another word until you go get a stock Sequoia, a stock Land Cruiser, go hit some hardcore trails and see which one lasts longer.