Diesel Engine+Transmission+Transfer

[Agerio]

Hello,

I have a 1979 FJ40 with an H Engine installed on it (HJ40? . But since It is getting harder and harder to find parts for that engine, I am thinking on selling it (The whole truck) and start a new project from zero.

I would buy a cheap Gasoline powered FJ40 (They are not so expensive down here, If you are willing to work on them). I would take engine, transmission, and transfer out. And replace them with a Diesel set. Now the question that I have for you is the following:

Is there any Diesel Engine+Transmission+Transfer commonly available in the USA that can be easily installed in a FJ40?

With "easily" I mean, not requiring a degree in engineering, or some adaptor kits that you have to import from South Africa or Australia. Obviously some work on the engine/transmission mounts and Electrical system will be required, but I am trying to simplify things as much as possible.

If the engine has Turbo and Intercooler, those are absolutely desirable and a nice Plus

Thanks,

Julio

 

[roscoFJ73]

For the cost of finding another FJ40,locating another diesel and installing,it would be easier to keep what you have and import the parts.

There is no magic diesel engines anywhere that fit into a Landcruiser as easily as Toyotas own engines.

 

[Agerio]

Thank you Rosco,

The FJ40 are not so hard to find here, and the prices are very variable. I have seen TLCs from USD 2,000 to USD 30,000. Obviously I am thinking in one of the firsts. The idea is to have a lot of money after the buy. So i could do everything that I want to the Land Cruiser. From a sandblast of the chassis to intall the Diesel Engine+Transmission+Transfer.

Going back to that last topic (Engine). Today I saw one of those Dodge Rams with the Cummins Turbo Diesel logo on the side. And I started to think that maybe that was the engine that I read about in this forums. I remembered that it was a Cummins with a name similar to 4bt or 14bt. But wasn't sure.

Could you please tell me if the Cummins Engine that some people recomend for a TLC Diesel conversion, is the one that those new Dodge Ram use?

If the answer is Yes, is it to hard to adapt?

What are the pros and cons of trying to fit one of those Engines in a TLC?

Thanks,

Julio

 

[FL cruiser]

For a 40, the recommended cummins would be a 4BT. Most 4BT engines were used in industrial applications like tractors, backhoes, generators, compressors etc. Some made it into Wonder bread and Frito Lay step vans. Automotive bell housings and motor mounts are rare. Best to find a delivery van for your 4BT and bell housing, flywheel, mounts etc. Lots of research to be done. Use the search function and type in "4BT". You'll find lots of info.

 

[brownbear]

Julio, where abouts are you?

If you have a H now, could you not upgrade it to a 2H or 12H-t?

That would be the easy choice. And they are newer engines with more parts support.

 

[Agerio]

Bear,

I am in Chile,and this kind of engines are quiet difficult to mantain here, because they were not sold in this country. As far as I know all the H,and 2H engines that you find here were imported directly by some person or company (Not related with Toyota).

That's not all, I used to have a 3B engine in my old BJ45, and I had plenty of work looking for parts for it (The only reason to find parts was that the engine is also used in Dyna Trucks). Now that I am searching for parts for the H, I found lots of 3B parts (Murphys Law I guess).


Thats why I am trying to avoid getting into the H line again.

Now the thing is that I have an uncle living in Maryland, and he can buy my a used engine, and ship it to my, the same for the transmission,and transfer. But I need to have really clear that the three will work together before asking for them.

I don't need that all the parts come from one truck, just that I can buy an Engine, a Transmission, and a Transfer, knowing that I can attach them without special work. Even If I have to buy an adaption kit.


I am seriously considering to buy one of those Cummins 4BT (As the engine used in the Rams now, seems to have too much HP, and Torque for an standard TLC).

-What do you think about it (The 4BT)?
-What transmission, and Transfer will work with it, and with the TLC? What trucks use those Trans?


Thanks,

Julio

 

[brownbear]

The ram does not use that engine.

What kind of vehicles are around there as far as diesel goes? Is there Dyna's and HINO trucks? How about Isuzu?

The 14b or 15b engines maybe be easier to get parts.

Is there a Cummins dealer in your city...? Are you in Santiago or a smaller city?

The Ram engines are 6 cylinders, such as the 6bt. Huge engine for a 40 series, too big in my opinion. And too heavy.

Barely fits a 60 series.

What about sticking Prado diesel running gear in there. The 1kz engine. Or whatever that is.

Is the Toyota 1HZ engine sold to the public in Chile, possibly in a 70 series truck?

 

[warfin]

How about a GM 350 engine kit from Advance Adapters and use a GM 6.5L diesel engine.

 

[Agerio]

Bear,

I didn't meant to say that the RAMs are using the 4BT. I meant to say that the engine that they are using (The Cummins 600 wich I was thinking on using for this project), has to much HP and Torque for a FJ40.


We have a wide variety of Diesels here, Dynas, Hynos, Isuzus, and in the last 10 or 15 Years (As the Gas Stations included Diesel in their offer), Pick/up trucks, SUVs, and passenger cars. I think that as the gas prices going higher and higher we are entering into a diesel oriented culture.

I guess there must be a Cummins dealer in Santiago (I am in Viña del Mar, one hour away from Santiago), because there are Buses and Minery Trucks that use their engines, and have support. They even have a Website: http://www.cummins.cl/

I am not sure about the recent Land Cruisers, I am in the pre 60 series area ($). I guess most of the engines are available in the newest Land Cruisers. The thing is that as the competition offered more models during the 90's. The Land Cruisers becomed relatively expensive. There aren't many Land Cruiser from those years available, specially in Junkyards, and other places that you can get an engine from.

Regards,

Julio

 

[Agerio]

Warfin,

Maybe a 6.5L is too much. As we were talking with brownbear the Horsepower, Torque, and Weight of those engines is for a much bigger truck.

Thanks,

Julio

 

[roscoFJ73]

If you have Dynas ,why not get a 14B . There is a right up on what to do from an owner in Bolivia somewhere.
Of course you would need to change the input shaft on your gearbox and fit new engine mount brackets.

 

[Agerio]

Rosco,

The prices of engines are higher than in Junkyards in the USA (My potential source), add to that the availability of those kind of trucks for spare parts is not so high here.

My idea is to find this:

1) A Diesel Engine that can be found in a Junkyard in the USA. Ideally with a Turbo (And Intercooler ).
2) A Transmission that can be connected to that engine relatively easy. Idealy a 5 speeds, because I am kind of tired of this 4 speeds ones.
2.5) (Optional) A kit to connect the Engine an Transmission without problems.
3) A Transfer that connects naturally with that transmission, probably they will come together, or at least they should have been thinked to be potentially together when they were designed.

Thats it.

Regards,

Julio

P.S.: Sorry about my english...

 

[brownbear]

Julio, just so you are clear... the USA does not have much for diesels. The market is really small in the US for diesels. Also all the diesels are built for large trucks. The only small diesels are in HINO trucks or Isuzu. The only cars to see a diesel in the USA are VW's and a really long time ago Mercedes.


So your options from the USA are really limited.

A 4bt cummins can be sourced from the US. It's the 4 cylinder cummins, not used in any of the trucks.

I agree with Rosco that a 14b might be the best option. But it is a naturally aspirated engine. So you would need to turbo it for your hills( those lovely Andes )

 

[Agerio]

Julio, just so you are clear... the USA does not have much for diesels. The market is really small in the US for diesels.

Yes. That is the impression that I have at this point. Eventhough If my uncle can find one of those delivery trucks that use the 4BT at the Junkyard, I would like to know what transmissions (And Transfers ) will work with it.

Today I go to Santiago, so maybe I should look for Cummins dealers to ask if that engine has support and parts available.

Thanks,

Julio

 

[brownbear]

Good plan.

The 4bt might be your best option if it is supported.

The delivery trucks are often called Grummen or GM's etc..

Would ship the whole truck?

dieselcruiserhead on here has a website for doing conversions with these engines. Check out his profile.

 

[Agerio]

I just talked with the Cummins representative for my region, and he told that they have parts and support for the engine (They even have Brazilian alternativa parts ), so If there is a relatively easy combination with transmission and transfer, probably this will be the candidate.

Regards,

Julio

 

[brownbear]

Good Julio,
so how far up in the Andes will you drive this rig?

I flew up into the Andes a couple years ago. Just outside of La Serena. Pretty big mountains.

 

[Agerio]

Bear,

Probably not higher than 3.000 meters, where the highest ski resorts are . Unless I decide to go to the north, and cross to Bolivia, I am not sure, but probably the passes in those parts of the range should be higher than here.

My father took my old BJ45 to Mendoza (Crossing the Andes, in Argentina) once, passing through Portillo (2.880 Mts - 9,450 fts - http://www.skiportillo.com/). And the 3B, arrived to the other side of the Andes and back, tired but in one piece. They told me that it lost lots of power in the upper side, but still pushed the troops carrier to the top of the hills. It was used in a day to day basis at Sea level.

I worked in La Serena till last month, and yes we have pretty big mountains, specially from the central region to the north. Eventhough mountains are not a big 4x4 destination in this part of the country (Central Region), maybe they are too hard to reach or Drive. In the north, there are higher relatively flat territories with towns like San Pedro de Atacama, or Pica. There you can drive without too much trouble, and see really nice places (I sound like a tourism promotor of Chile , but I just visited San Pedro a couple of moths ago).

Regards,

Julio

 

[Tapage]

Que onda loco !

I'm not sure about 3B resources in Chile .. but have it. Check in http://www.twistedandes.com great Off Road forum from your Chile .. I'm member here also ..

So the issue is, 4BT+adapter for you H42 + stock t-case make the thinks expensive .. but with 3.73 ( factory R&P for your 40 seres I thought ) you are been hable to run 33" - 35" tires easy ..

 

[Agerio]

Tapage,

He encontrado varios repuestos para el 3B, a pesar de haber encontrado muy pocos cuando realmente los necesitaba.

Soy usuario de Twisted Andes desde hace mucho tiempo. El problema es que en este momento esta abajo. Me da la impresión de que fueron hackeados.

Mi FJ40 actual, de hecho tiene neumaticos 33x12.50X15 con su motor H.

La idea de cambiar la Transmisión, y Transfer tiene dos origenes:

-Me gustaria tener una transmisión con cinco velocidades.
-La Transfer actual se ve reparada (Soldada), en la parte baja, por lo que no se como estara su interior.


Ahora en Ingles :

I have found many parts for the 3B, eventhough I found few when I really needed them.

I have been a user of Twisted Andes for a long time. The problem is that they are down at this moment. I have the impression that they have been hacked.

My FJ40, in fact, has 33x12.50x15 tires, with his H engine.

The idea of changing the Transmission and Transfer has two origins:

-I would like to have a transmission with five speeds.
-The Transfer looks repaired (Welded), in the bottom side, and I do not know how it is inside.

Regards,

Julio