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Go for it. That's all I've done--aside form new struts to better handle the larger tires and new coils because my old ones were super rusty--and am continually impressed with what it can do.
Dedicated 4X4 expedition FJ60 or do everything 100?
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Go for it. That's all I've done--aside form new struts to better handle the larger tires and new coils because my old ones were super rusty--and am continually impressed with what it can do.
trying to decide....
I too I'm trying to decide weather I should buy a 60 or 100. I just finished getting my 78 40 back on the road and realized this doesn't fit what I want to do. It's not a vehicle the wife will continue to come trips with me in. I have to trailer it everywhere I go unless it's around town. I'm look for more of an expo rig. Being on the east coast there isn't many places for me to do that but there are a few... In my later years (32 now) I plan on going back to the west coast to explore the dirt roads and ghost towns that I miss so much. I spent lots of time as a kid in death valley and the eastern side of the sierras.
I have an oppurtunity to buy a nice 83 60. Lifted, 35's and geared. Good start to what I want to build. I would add arb front bumper, rear bumper with swingout and gas/water rack, roof rack with awning, and front and rear arbs lockers. Interior clean it up. Cons its an older vehicle.... I can always install a sweet diesel setup in it or a v8. The 60 just have a classic look that I love....
The 100 series has all the comforts but there is a lot of electronics that go wrong as posted by other mudders. Im sure I can find a built 100 and buy it almost completed. This last weekend we had a club run and I saw some 100 do some trails that most cruisers have a hardtime with. The driver (nick) I think has lost his mind but its 100 to tear up.
Thanks for letting me ramble on
Confused on what to do....
I too I'm trying to decide weather I should buy a 60 or 100. I just finished getting my 78 40 back on the road and realized this doesn't fit what I want to do. It's not a vehicle the wife will continue to come trips with me in. I have to trailer it everywhere I go unless it's around town. I'm look for more of an expo rig. Being on the east coast there isn't many places for me to do that but there are a few... In my later years (32 now) I plan on going back to the west coast to explore the dirt roads and ghost towns that I miss so much. I spent lots of time as a kid in death valley and the eastern side of the sierras.
I have an oppurtunity to buy a nice 83 60. Lifted, 35's and geared. Good start to what I want to build. I would add arb front bumper, rear bumper with swingout and gas/water rack, roof rack with awning, and front and rear arbs lockers. Interior clean it up. Cons its an older vehicle.... I can always install a sweet diesel setup in it or a v8. The 60 just have a classic look that I love....
The 100 series has all the comforts but there is a lot of electronics that go wrong as posted by other mudders. Im sure I can find a built 100 and buy it almost completed. This last weekend we had a club run and I saw some 100 do some trails that most cruisers have a hardtime with. The driver (nick) I think has lost his mind but its 100 to tear up.
Thanks for letting me ramble on
Confused on what to do....
had a 84 FJ60 with mild build (lift, tires, interior, desmog, rear locker, etc).......now have 100 series (bumpers, winch, lift, tires, interior, etc). I miss the ruggedness of the solid front axle but do not miss the never ending list of things needing work or replacign on a 28 year old vehicle that was bought new by my aunt, sold to my father and then to myself.....no rust but smog hoses, clutch, flywheel, gaskets, etc all add up and it is always something. If you have the room and the money as $10k is just going to get you started on a FJ60 built up with all the stuff needed....
The 100 series is just reliable...mechanically and as an offroad platform. We have a little offroad area called Uwharrie near here....took every trail there in FJC, FJ60 and UZJ100....from mild to extreme. They were all successful with different levels of difficulty encountered.
FJC....modern, new, decent on all terrain if you get package that includes both rear locker and ATRAC...but not a lot of room if you carry lots of gear plus a dog or kids...single or just a spouse it is fine but I was maxed out internally and on baja rack doing fj summit from east coast couple years ago.
FJ60....reliable rugged workhorse...age was catching up with every seal, bearing or gasket needing replacement....flywheel needing resurfacing and new clutch first time since new in 1984 was great...bad was flywheels are not carried by Toyota anymore so everything is used or very expensive if you get one that was horded by Manafre or SOR. Think I spent $8000 in first year with tires, repairs, etc. Great offroad vehicle but it needs to be driven to keep it working nice...not sitting for a week or month between outings of more than an hour drive. Comfort is not a strong point.....for daily driving...drove mine from charleston to mountains regularly...to work daily (40 min each way) and to Wash DC a couple times on business.
UZJ100- has cv axles up front which are somewhat weaker than solid axle in precarious situations with lots of heavy duty traction and steering needed. It is slightly larger than the 60 series for tight trails....but turning radius is tighter. Other than that I have no other minuses......I have driven every single trail my peers have driven for similarly lifted and equipped vehicles no matter if 55, 60, 80, FJC, etc. I have not attacked Kodak Rock but would need full skids and maybe 35s to do that and have a spare CV Axle ready to install just in case...yes I carry a spare just in case.
Otherwise the ATRAC is all I need.... THis past weekend I was going up trails easily that even locked vehicles had some difficulty...though we know it is combination of driver experience and vehicle capabiltiy that makes things happen.
Overall, the 100 series has a larger fuel tank...is larger inside....is built very solid with attention to detail...is very comfortable no matter the conditions and is a VERY VERY capable trail truck in all but maybe 2% of conditions you will find other similarly equipped vehicles. It wont do Tough Truck Challenge without major mods....but for expedition, camping, trail riding, and occasional rock duty...it will perform as good and sometimes better than others out there. The engine is super reliable....tranny has had some issues on earlier models but the dozen or so I have heard of pale compared to number of rigs out there on roads worldwide.
One negative is when it is 28*F outside and your buddies in 40, 55, 60 are warming up their vehicles for the first obstacle on the climb.....you need to remember to turn off the seat warmers so you dont have that annoying bead of sweat trickle down the crack of your butt and tickle you just as the trail calls for your total concentration and you cant reach back and rub to stop the tickling sensation.
Yes it is dangerous but owning a UZJ100 with heated seats are not for the faint of heart of determined mind to ignore such distractions in times of austere conditions.
Get the UZJ100 unless you have enough to spend another $10k after the initial upgrades to keep it reliable on the road and off after the initial build due to the age and smaller availability of some parts...smog devices required some states are not available new, some drivetrain parts, etc.
The 100 series is just reliable...mechanically and as an offroad platform. We have a little offroad area called Uwharrie near here....took every trail there in FJC, FJ60 and UZJ100....from mild to extreme. They were all successful with different levels of difficulty encountered.
FJC....modern, new, decent on all terrain if you get package that includes both rear locker and ATRAC...but not a lot of room if you carry lots of gear plus a dog or kids...single or just a spouse it is fine but I was maxed out internally and on baja rack doing fj summit from east coast couple years ago.
FJ60....reliable rugged workhorse...age was catching up with every seal, bearing or gasket needing replacement....flywheel needing resurfacing and new clutch first time since new in 1984 was great...bad was flywheels are not carried by Toyota anymore so everything is used or very expensive if you get one that was horded by Manafre or SOR. Think I spent $8000 in first year with tires, repairs, etc. Great offroad vehicle but it needs to be driven to keep it working nice...not sitting for a week or month between outings of more than an hour drive. Comfort is not a strong point.....for daily driving...drove mine from charleston to mountains regularly...to work daily (40 min each way) and to Wash DC a couple times on business.
UZJ100- has cv axles up front which are somewhat weaker than solid axle in precarious situations with lots of heavy duty traction and steering needed. It is slightly larger than the 60 series for tight trails....but turning radius is tighter. Other than that I have no other minuses......I have driven every single trail my peers have driven for similarly lifted and equipped vehicles no matter if 55, 60, 80, FJC, etc. I have not attacked Kodak Rock but would need full skids and maybe 35s to do that and have a spare CV Axle ready to install just in case...yes I carry a spare just in case.
Otherwise the ATRAC is all I need.... THis past weekend I was going up trails easily that even locked vehicles had some difficulty...though we know it is combination of driver experience and vehicle capabiltiy that makes things happen.Overall, the 100 series has a larger fuel tank...is larger inside....is built very solid with attention to detail...is very comfortable no matter the conditions and is a VERY VERY capable trail truck in all but maybe 2% of conditions you will find other similarly equipped vehicles. It wont do Tough Truck Challenge without major mods....but for expedition, camping, trail riding, and occasional rock duty...it will perform as good and sometimes better than others out there. The engine is super reliable....tranny has had some issues on earlier models but the dozen or so I have heard of pale compared to number of rigs out there on roads worldwide.
One negative is when it is 28*F outside and your buddies in 40, 55, 60 are warming up their vehicles for the first obstacle on the climb.....you need to remember to turn off the seat warmers so you dont have that annoying bead of sweat trickle down the crack of your butt and tickle you just as the trail calls for your total concentration and you cant reach back and rub to stop the tickling sensation.
Yes it is dangerous but owning a UZJ100 with heated seats are not for the faint of heart of determined mind to ignore such distractions in times of austere conditions.
Get the UZJ100 unless you have enough to spend another $10k after the initial upgrades to keep it reliable on the road and off after the initial build due to the age and smaller availability of some parts...smog devices required some states are not available new, some drivetrain parts, etc.
Thanks brock. I was there with at ure. I was with the loud/drinking crowd. I fed u deer meat.
What would a decent 100 run?
What would a decent 100 run?
Sell the tow rig, 40 and trailer. Buy a 98 100 and lock the front with some sliders and 285's. You and your wife can drive it around town, wheel it, she can drive it. It's a win win. I can't remember but did you ride in mine this past weekend? I think you did but I can't remember.
Thanks brock. I was there with at ure. I was with the loud/drinking crowd. I fed u deer meat.
What would a decent 100 run?
I paid about $15,500 for mine but it ws in mint condition with 88,000 miles on her.Iv'e added about $6,000 in mods: front bumper, 12,000lb winch, Slee slider, Slee rear bumper with tire swing out, OME lift and tires.
I am THOUROUGHLY impressed with the 100's capabilities. i am not a seasoned driver as Brock or a few others but I had no issues at all on the trails at URE.
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Cost of a 100. I paid similar for mine with 80k a year and a half ago. Added about $3k of tires, lift and sliders. Plus a few thousand in other maintenance and upgrades.
I'll hold onto your '78 for you. Keep it nice in CA.
I'll hold onto your '78 for you. Keep it nice in CA.
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Where in cali? Its for sale.......
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Santa Monica.
Im from Sacramento. The 40 i have came from the reno aerea
Thanks brock. I was there with at ure. I was with the loud/drinking crowd. I fed u deer meat.
What would a decent 100 run?
not sure what they run now....have had mine for 3 years...it is a 2000 LX470...two owner before me...130k all maintenance done and documented...it was immaculate and I paid I think $14k and some change. He had also swapped out grill with 2004 model I think as it is chrome and not black...he also swapped the wheels of the newer one he bought his wife to replace this one...so I got newer 18" wheels instead of the stock size.
If really clean and fully documented service and no issues whatsoever and it still has floor mats and third row, etc....Then maybe $13-15k depending on how nice it is. I found it in Augusta and looked at two others in Atlanta...took about 6 months to find one I wanted.
yep remember you...noisy front end on 40...deer meat...shrimp...going on big hunting trip soon.
Got my 75k miles 2000LX for 16k this year. Not the best price but i got it from the orig owner and its unmolested. Came with all three keys too. 100s are hard to come by here. Not too many in hawaii.
Seems like just about everything has been covered but what is another $.02 going to hurt?
FJC - Low miles, new, modern, and a huge following for aftermarket parts. I built it up to the point of adding a solid front axle and really did love it but it wasn't without fault. Lack of 4 real doors, minimal room for passengers and stuff, don't really care for the 4.0L V6, low payload capacity ~900 lbs. I traded it in on a 100 series for the fiance.
100 series - Love the classic looks, decent miles on the rig but it's getting harder and harder to find unmolested and sub 100K, V8 power, realiability, and creature comforts. It will still be limited by the size of it's belly and lackluster flex from the IFS but where does it spend most of it's time? On the road is sadly the answer...driving to the trail is very important to me. I love the rig and am actively looking for a second that I can build up.
LX/80 series - I have a 1997 LX that's also built to do way more than I'm comfortable doing (there's a pattern here). It's great when out on the trail with only the brakes lacking in hill decents but where I really really want it to excel is on the road because we're either taking a trip or are driving to the trail. The power is decent after a re-gear but I'm always looking at items that may need replacing soon or thinking about what happens as it continues to age. Don't get me wrong, it's in tip top shape (exception is the driver's seat) but what will it take to keep it that way?
It's been great having all 3 of these trucks to work on and compare however I'd say that the 100 is my favorite for everyday and the LX is fun for that once a month trip or to drive around on Sunday. Sadly I don't miss the FJC at all and even though I love the looks of a 60, I won't be getting one anytime soon since it will need far more attention than the LX and 100 I'm looking after now.
Lot's of rambling so if you'd like to skip this is the order I'd go in. 100 > 80/LX > 60 > FJC
FJC - Low miles, new, modern, and a huge following for aftermarket parts. I built it up to the point of adding a solid front axle and really did love it but it wasn't without fault. Lack of 4 real doors, minimal room for passengers and stuff, don't really care for the 4.0L V6, low payload capacity ~900 lbs. I traded it in on a 100 series for the fiance.
100 series - Love the classic looks, decent miles on the rig but it's getting harder and harder to find unmolested and sub 100K, V8 power, realiability, and creature comforts. It will still be limited by the size of it's belly and lackluster flex from the IFS but where does it spend most of it's time? On the road is sadly the answer...driving to the trail is very important to me. I love the rig and am actively looking for a second that I can build up.
LX/80 series - I have a 1997 LX that's also built to do way more than I'm comfortable doing (there's a pattern here). It's great when out on the trail with only the brakes lacking in hill decents but where I really really want it to excel is on the road because we're either taking a trip or are driving to the trail. The power is decent after a re-gear but I'm always looking at items that may need replacing soon or thinking about what happens as it continues to age. Don't get me wrong, it's in tip top shape (exception is the driver's seat) but what will it take to keep it that way?
It's been great having all 3 of these trucks to work on and compare however I'd say that the 100 is my favorite for everyday and the LX is fun for that once a month trip or to drive around on Sunday. Sadly I don't miss the FJC at all and even though I love the looks of a 60, I won't be getting one anytime soon since it will need far more attention than the LX and 100 I'm looking after now.
Lot's of rambling so if you'd like to skip this is the order I'd go in. 100 > 80/LX > 60 > FJC
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As long as we're keeping this thread alive,whatsoever y'all think about the first gen 4runners, particularly the solid axle 85s? Seems like another good once a month, Sunday, trails the 100 is too big for truck.
I had an 1986, so it had IFS. It was a great truck and really fun to drive. However, the suspension sucks IMO for off-road. Not much travel on both ends and hard as hell. Unless, you modify the truck to fit longer and softer leaf springs you will get beat to death and begin hating it when the road gets rough.
Also, they are very hard to find in decent condition. I think I bought mine back in 2003-2004 and back then it took me many months to find one that was decent. I had to waste alot of time looking through alot of junk that was out there.
The only thing that stops me from buying anything else but a vintage cruiser is the un availability of a manual gear box. I owned 2 fjc'c by the way. I am now in my first 60 and I also own an 86 pickup.
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Yup! Wheeled with one in Death Valley and was impressed. I keep considering wranglers, g-wagens, prados etc. But will probably end up with a 200 when the time comes.
I was parked next to a 200 last night and it is much closer in size than I realized as well. I am thinking about picking one up sooner than later as with the ridiculously low sales numbers in the US, I fear it will soon become a bloodsport to find a used 200. I would not be surprised if more LC/LX's were sold in a month during the heyday (1999-2000) than all the 200's sold here since 2008. For some reason sales fell off a cliff during MY2000.... I will say it must have been nice to fill up an LC/LX circa 2000 when, at least in the South, it would have cost about $30. For 93!
2001 saw the intro of the Sequoia which poached a lot of sales...