Crash Rating for Land Cruiser????

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I am looking to purchase a 100 series landcruiser for my primary family vehicle. Depite looking everywhere I can't find any crash rating for the LC.
It appears it has never been tested. How could this be the case when all cars sold in America must have a crash rating.
 
My wife rolled our 60; 6 times,took out at least 4 trees and we fell 45 feet upside down to a creek bed.All seven of our family climbed back up the hill unharmed. We give it an A plus.Thats why we drive 7 Land cruisers. Mike
 
From cars.com:

Some Models are Not Rated

If the model you seek is missing, results may be pending or the vehicle may not be eligible. Both agencies concentrate on the highest-volume vehicles. Convertibles are rarely tested for this reason, though for the first time last year IIHS tested 10 models, including several best-sellers like the Chrysler Sebring and Ford Mustang. Results for new or recently reengineered models are likely to appear months after the car goes on sale because both agencies purchase their test subjects from dealerships. NHTSA notes if a vehicle is TBT (to be tested) or if results are pending or under review. IIHS has begun to offer more detailed information about whether or not test results are pending.

So, the LC and LX are sold in such low volumes, they're not tested by either agency. Look at Toyota's other vehicles and SUVs, they're almost all 5 star rated. You can bet their flagship is too.
 
Not sure what the official rating is, but check out some of the "Landcruiser vs. vehicle X" type threads. I'd give it an outstanding.

The LC is the heaviest and biggest vehicle I could get my wife to drive. I wanted an Excursion, but she had final veto power. Regardless, the 100 series LC probably out performs 90+% of the passenger vehicles out on the road. Mass almost always wins in a vehicle accident. From my experience as a volunteer firefighter and EMT, I can't remember a case where mass didn't win.

Adam
 
To give you an idea

Some Mitsubishi SUV/Crossover thing hit the front of our 100.....the 100 needed a new front bumper and the hood got bent sideways about two inches.....the Mitsubishi was totaled, the passenger side doors couldn't be opened

Tested or not Land Cruisers are Tanks

So are the OLD diesel benzes
 
Your going to get a million posts about the amazing amounts of damage peoples cars have caused to others, if your looking for something more than opinion and speculation (and probably a lot of bull**** thrown in) check out ANCAP . It's the Australian crash test program and it includes the 100 series. Just to ruin the surprise the 100 series gets 4 stars.
 
Indeed 4 stars

The ANCAP testing looks very thorough. Here is the link for the Land Cruiser. Thanks to the previous poster for the main link.
 
BEE-JAY42 said:
Your going to get a million posts about the amazing amounts of damage peoples cars have caused to others, if your looking for something more than opinion and speculation (and probably a lot of bull**** thrown in) check out ANCAP . It's the Australian crash test program and it includes the 100 series. Just to ruin the surprise the 100 series gets 4 stars.
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Sometimes those non-scientific personal experiences mean more than scientific tests, because even with the best of intentions scientific experiments may not get it right.

For full disclosure I do indeed have a personal experience with my first Land Cruiser that in my mind indicates a certain level of safety for these trucks. With that said I would like to point out a couple things about the ANCAP test that I observed from looking at their site:


  1. The LC was listed as 2002+, which indicates no side airbag. Two test would have been helped by the side airbag, especially the pole test that was designed to test side air bags :meh:
  2. There were no other large SUV's that had a five star rating (XC90 doesn't count IMO because of the design). This may have something to do with how the tests are designed... like the pedestrian test, from what I have read in paperwork for EU standards most full size SUV's that are designed to go off road currently do not do well in this test. There is also the ongoing question of how the devices for impact are designed, they may be designed in a fashion that would provide consistently worse ratings for large vehicles.
  3. Only one vehicle is tested, which may introduce some sort of variance into the test of that specific vehicle, and also makes it more of a speculative guess based on a scientific set up.
  4. I did not find any specific information on how or why the LC was rated how it was.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the tests are bad. I'm just pointing out that there are to many unknowns, along with the lack of side air bags, to tell how this test applies specifically to our trucks. Personally I think the last post with the pics says a lot about the structural integrity of the LC.

EDIT: OK so I went back and looked again at the LC stats on the ANCAP site. My ISP was having issues earlier so I didn't realize I should have been able to scroll. There is definitely better info than I saw in explaining the scoring. But as predicted the pole test was a 0 (even though it was a 2004 it still did not have side airbags), and the pedestrian test was extremely low. The front offset was lower than what I would have expected due to the tire coming into the passenger compartment, but with only one truck tested that is still questionable (not that I would want that one truck).
 
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never wrecked mine but it was by far the most sure footed suv I have ever been in and IMO the best vehicle I have ever owned...
If saftey is your main concern have a custom exo-skeleton built around it off some arb bull bars!!!
 
This was an 80, and the 100 is markedly improved in crash protection:
https://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/43775-unstoppable-80-meets-immovable-object.html

The 4th-gen 4Runner is tied for second in least deaths per passenger mile. I have one, and it's not even close to the protection and sure-footedness of the Land Cruiser.

And, Click and Clack deemed the Land Cruiser "Vehicle I'd most want to be in if Martians attacked the Earth". How much better protection can you possibly need?
 
scottm said:
And, Click and Clack deemed the Land Cruiser "Vehicle I'd most want to be in if Martians attacked the Earth". How much better protection can you possibly need?
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Well that says it all!


I purchased my LC over the Nissan Patrol PRIMARILY because of the crash test rating, not because of the exorbitant price tag of LC's here in OZ. If Nissan had the same rating I would have looked at them a lot harder as they were a lot cheaper. I have just signed the dotted line on a new Toyota Hilux, it has the best crash test rating compared to the other dual cab utes. Crash test rating is a major factor in my purchase requirement, I have a family of 5 to look after. A head on crash into an oncoming car or truck at 100km/h each and I doubt you will live but you have a better chance than a lot of others.
 
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they actually replaced the l/h rear quarter panel. f##k i was not happy....but not with that...the post/bollard i hit....was supposed to be a collapsable post, but this was old style Give Way (Yield) sign with a concrete bulb at the base.
Cost me $500 excess...but the cost to the insurance co was over $7k.

I was hoping they could repair it....but...no.
peter
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Crash testing is like fantasy football. To have any idea what is going on you have to control so many variables that the calculated results can get pretty far separated from the results in the chaotic real world. OTOH statistical real world results can be more influenced by driver demographics than vehicle design/construction.

That said the LC looks to have done about average in essentially the safest category.

I could have told you that your knees aren't going to do well in a crash in the 100 with out totaling a $50k truck. I've hurt myself getting in after my wife's been driving.

Quibbles ...
- the Tribeca is a Large SUV? What would they call an Expedition?
- Bonus points for seatbelt reminders? and the LC doesn't have them? My 98 does but maybe not in all markets.
 
true but some of you guys over there in the USA and UK refuse to wear seatbelts.
Here in Oz you get fined...and it's not a small fine.
Have a read of our rules in my state, Victoria, here: Seat belts : VicRoads

Apologies the fines in $$$ arent on there
But the stats show that wearing a seatbelt with the airbag stuff we have now will help you.
Fek i remember my first car...a 1963 EH Holden Station Wagon that had lap belts retro-fitted.
And i got my licence on like Dec 21st 1982 and drove 900kms on dec 27th ......and i am still here!! hehe
later
peter
 
moooooooo said:
true but some of you guys over there in the USA and UK refuse to wear seatbelts.
Here in Oz you get fined...and it's not a small fine.
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Here you get dead, I'm sure the same rules of physics apply everywhere. I've been saved by seatbelts many times now, I can't believe anyone still drives without them.
 
Another thing to keep in mind on the frontal crash tests is that weight is a huge factor in real life. The crash into a deformable barrier acts as a "mirror" crash. So, since the LC weighs around 5200 pounds the test is as if you have hit another 5200 pound SUV in a frontal crash. A Volvo XC90 has a better crash test on paper, but in real life the 800 pound advantage of the Land Cruiser comes into play. Now, if you hit a 6100 pound Ford F-250, that's an entirely different story.

FYI in all of my anecdotal research on accidents, the 1999 and up Ford F-250 does the best I have seen.
 
ANCAP test shows 2013 LC as 5 star but lower overall score than new aluminum unibody Range Rover. 2007 RR had a driver knee airbag so I doubt the newest RR doesn't have knee airbags even though the ANCAP site doesn't list them. Maybe the TD RR in Australia doesn't get the same stuff a North American build gets?

2013 LC200 in the US has knee airbags for both driver and front passenger for what it's worth.
 
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