Broken Differential Data

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Cruiser Brothers are the importers, they sell directly and they also have a pretty well established dealer/ installer network. So buy from them or through an installer.

Harrop ELocker | Toyota 4x4 Differential Lockers | U.S. Dealer

FYI I'm not affiliated in any way with harrop or cruiser brothers. I suggest it because I had a little buyers remorse after dealing with some air actuator woes on my air locker install. Choosing a locker based on getting a deal is not always the best strategy. Choosing a locker based its overall market reputation, design/function, reliability/performance and most importantly: customer service and product support. Both ARB and Harrop are leaders in service & support of their products. Repeating my previous advice, set-up of the locker in the diff and getting the mesh/lash set perfectly is a job for an experienced gear installer who is well versed in Toyota gears; can't stress this enough.


Now that I'm clearly paying for a rebuild/replacement of my diff (will see how bad the damage is later today, hopefully), I'm leaning toward an e-locker myself.

Looks like Harrop and Eaton are pretty intertwined companies--is this Eaton model the same thing as the Harrop, at a significantly lower price?

Eaton E-Locker, Toyota 9.5'' Reverse IFS Short Clamshell
 
Now that I'm clearly paying for a rebuild/replacement of my diff (will see how bad the damage is later today, hopefully), I'm leaning toward an e-locker myself.

Looks like Harrop and Eaton are pretty intertwined companies--is this Eaton model the same thing as the Harrop, at a significantly lower price?

Eaton E-Locker, Toyota 9.5'' Reverse IFS Short Clamshell
Should be... I believe that EATON purchased Harrop a number of years ago. You know what I would call one of the local dealers/shops like ACC or Cruiser Outfitters that knows there rigs and their diffs to get some input.
But I am with you 100%, if/when my front decides to detonate (mind you I have a 98 to 2-pinion version) I will definitely be forking over the money for a front e-locker (TJM or Harrop) just so I can ensure that it is as bombproof as possible.
 
Eaton is a huge global corporation- Harrop is an Australian distributor who's done extensive codevelopment with some Eaton designs. My understanding is that the Harrop branded locker is a license agreement with Eaton- but I could be wrong.

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I believe the story goes something like this, Harrop (an Australia company) wanted to make the locker available for AUS market vehicles (i.e. LC, Patrol) and they manufactured the necessary parts and did the final assembly. But the core of the Harrop locker has always been manufactured by Eaton. I'm not sure if it is still that way or if Eaton manufacturers the entire unit. I'm sure there are tax implications involved one way or the other.
 
Just curious why Eaton would come in and compete with the Harrop for a cheaper price. Wondering if there are any differences
 
The Toyota 9.5" IFS is NOT the same thing as what comes in 100 series Cruisers.

Just Diffs website says this locker fits the UZJ100. I know nothing beyond that and your mechanical knowledge surpasses mine.
 
2003. Aprox 110k miles at the time.
33" tires @ 25 PSI
Climbing a rocky hill, raised the wheel off the ground and when it landed it broke (I was not on the accelerator when it landed). I think it was the A-Trac activating with the wheel spinning in mid air.
Replaced with a TJM locker and has been fine for the last 90k miles
 
The Toyota 9.5" IFS is NOT the same thing as what comes in 100 series Cruisers.
I thought that the US made 100 series was an 8" front diff? Maybe the 9.5" is for the 105 series?
 
FYI- the 9.5" IFS 32 spline is for the rear, and 8" 30 spline is for the front. 8" Clamshell type is for 4Runner/FJ/GX.

On JT's website For 100 Series
REAR 9.5" E-Locker Product Code: EAT14213-1
FRONT 8" E-Locker Product Code: EAT14214-1

Just curious why Eaton would come in and compete with the Harrop for a cheaper price. Wondering if there are any differences

Likely the retail price has more to do with JT offering a competitive retail price point to Harrop- anticipating they'll be selling gear upgrades etc. I doubt there's much if any difference in function or performance/strength. JT may be running on a thinner margin than Cruiser Brothers- who probably have larger MOQ's, ocean shipping, import fees and exchange rate to contend with.

I never noticed the Eaton Elocker on JT's website before. Cool to have another option!
 
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A number of factors can conspire to break the the front diff.
  • Reverse stresses the diff more. Even if you have a front locker, many have broken the diff by reversing locked up.
  • Steering angle - the more the wheels are turned from straight the more stress is added.
  • Bouncing the front wheels - This is how I broke mine. The diff is pretty strong, 4 bounces before it broke, see video in my earlier post.
  • Forgetting to lock the center diff
  • Snow and ice, in some cases it seems like bad stuff happens, before ATRAC can react.
  • Lots of throttle - bad stuff WILL happen before ATRAC can REACT.
It doesn't seem to take much if you start combining some of these.
My earlier Post #3 in this thread
 
FYI- the 9.5" IFS 32 spline is for the rear, and 8" 30 spline is for the front. 8" Clamshell type is for 4Runner/FJ/GX.

On JT's website For 100 Series
REAR 9.5" E-Locker Product Code: EAT14213-1
FRONT 8" E-Locker Product Code: EAT14214-1



Likely the retail price has more to do with JT offering a competitive retail price point to Harrop- anticipating they'll be selling gear upgrades etc. I doubt there's much if any difference in function or performance/strength. JT may be running on a thinner margin than Cruiser Brothers- who probably have larger MOQ's, ocean shipping, import fees and exchange rate to contend with.

I never noticed the Eaton Elocker on JT's website before. Cool to have another option!

So I just talked to the guys at East Coast Gear Supply and asked if I could potentially use the Eaton e-locker instead of the Harrop. The guy I spoke to confirmed they're the same creature (I noticed they even have the same part number), but said they're not available yet, and, by gum, he's right, but they're coming soon! According to Jegs, they start drop shipping from Eaton on 3 June, but the ECGS guys haven't been able to get a firm timeline out of Eaton, so I guess I'll just go with the fancy foreign version. . . A Harrop sticker will look way more boutique on my window than an Eaton one. . . but I think I'd still rather have the $250!
 
So these are 15-20 year old trucks at the time of failure correct?

Maybe their service life is nearing end, remove and replace with OEM may still be the right move if it fails and don't want or need locker.

Wondering if this is good preventive maitanance to add to the common fail points such as alternators, old ignition coils, starter, cv axles, heater tee, etc.

you don't want this happening in middle of nowhere cutting trip short and causing headaches.
 
So these are 15-20 year old trucks at the time of failure correct?

Maybe their service life is nearing end, remove and replace with OEM may still be the right move if it fails and don't want or need locker.

Wondering if this is good preventive maitanance to add to the common fail points such as alternators, old ignition coils, starter, cv axles, heater tee, etc.

you don't want this happening in middle of nowhere cutting trip short and causing headaches.

Yes, but I feel like diffs shouldn't just fail during routine use at 15-20 year mark. I think this might be one of the newest 4WD vehicles I've ever owned, and it's the only one that's had a diff explode after nothing extraordinary. But obviously service items vary by vehicle, so maybe this is in fact just something that should be refreshed routinely in these.

OEM refresh is probably a good idea for someone who never wanted to do anything even potentially hairy, but going new OEM means either new diff assy (which, at $1400ish when I checked last week, is a great deal) or new guts plus labor to set it up properly, with probably a price tag of around $950, if you're only replacing R&P.

Re. the new diff, I understand Toyota was/is notorious for setting these diffs up on the loose side, allowing more flex than necessary, and even more flex as they get several hundred thousand miles on them. So a rebuild of your existing unit by an expert who'll be super-finicky with tolerances might be better.

For those who've broken theirs (like me), for another $1100 (over new OEM assembly) or $1600 (over rebuilding existing unit) you get an e-locker worth $1400 and labor on a rebuild of an existing diff. And a diff that's, by all reports, far stronger than factory, and has a locker. Sort of a no-brainer, provided the money's available.

So I think adding a locker before anything breaks (giving you an expert re-setting all, um, settings and a stiffer mount for your ring gear) might be great PM, and would (once the Eaton lockers hit the shelves) cost (super rough estimate) 1100 (locker) + $400 (build) + $250 (build kit). Not much more than a new OEM assembly, and almost certainly superior in both strength and capability.

Alternatively, you could pull your existing, non-busted assy and take it to an expert to have it checked and gear meshes and bearing pre-loads re-set, etc. . . that'd probably only cost around $500. Maybe that's the good PM move? (assuming one can even do this with gears that have worn in together over many thousands of miles--I have no idea).
 
OK, diff came back from the shop. Holy cow, the Harrop accessories are nice. The wiring harness is super-beefy, and comes with a relay with built-in diode. Really impressive.
I wired up the factory (80 and early 100 series) switch in the stock location, which just had a blank on my dash. Bought the plug and three pigtails, even though I am only going to be using two of them at the moment. Wiring it was dead simple. Positive switched power source (I used a no-longer-needed cigarette lighter lead, since I rewired the lighter and the acc plug to be switchable with ignition off). Connect that to factory switch (position 1), then connect position 4 pigtail (FR/RR position on the switch) to the switched lead to the relay, connect ground and constant positive on the relay to a fused source, route the harness, and you're done.
Finished installing the diff yesterday--everything works! And hopefully the oil spot on the driveway is just where I spilled some gear oil and not a leak. . . .
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