Blowed Up

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Hi guys,
I haven't done much in the way of posting but I've done a lot of reading of the forum and have always blown away by the amount of knowledge on here so I thought it was time to enslist some of your wisdom. 6 months ago I purchased a '78 long bed 45 and after putting only a couple thousand gentle kilometers on it, she done blowed up. Was cruising on the freeway at about 90kph and the poor old 2F developed a bad knock. I nursed it for a short distance to try to get back home but finally just had it towed to avoid ventilating the block. Haven't gotten it apart yet but it sounds like a wrist pin in one of the rear cylinders. No big surprise given it had very low oil pressure but a shame as I was hoping it would last until I was able to do a full restoration of the entire truck.


The plan was to keep it stock and use it for some mild wheeling and camping. I really like the truck and would like to make some long distance trips with it but to do so, it would certainly benefit from a few improvements for driveability. Power from the F and 2F's on my other Cruzrs has always been adequate for my needs but fuel consumption, range, rpm at highway speeds, and crawl ratio could be better for a rig that I'd like to drive a thousand miles for a trip to Moab, etc.


Considered fuel injection, an H55, or an add-on OD, but recently I've begun thinking a diesel transplant might be the way to go. I want to keep it all Toyota so a turbo'ed 3B, 13B-T, 12H-T, etc. and H55 is what I've been thinking. However, since the truck is in decent, original shape, I'm really torn between improving it and getting more use out of it, or an unmolested, back to original rebuild. Restoration vs resto-mod. I would do the transplant to look as factory as possible and the only outward change would be a slight lift and 255/85's.


Pros / Cons of either route? What about the resulting value of the truck? Any historical value for keeping it all original? Recommendations for the power train? Whatever mods are to be done, I want to keep the option of returning it back to original so I plan to avoid any engine/tranny combo that requires a lot hacking.


Any insight and wisdom is greatly appreciated.

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I was wondering where you went like some other guys. That fj45 is in great org shape for a Canadian truck. As it goes for diesel I don't think it would change the value but I would keep org engine for the next guy down the road who could fix it and put it back in if he wanted a matching numbers cruiser.

As it goes for light wheeling I would never consider that with that truck buy a 300 dollar jeep and beat it to death.

I do have a question for other guys here what is the value of his truck and any other CDN fj45 that's original .
 
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Nice, is that yours? For sale or rebuild? Is it all there?


Definitely keeping the original drive train if I don't reuse it.
 
my 1977 fj45

This beige one is mine I picked up in Oct the red 76 is one I knew of last year that I may also buy its 100 percent stock as you can see and its all there.

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Are they both 2F's or diesel? If diesel, which engine, 3B? Never driven a diesel Cruzr, all mine have been gassers. That beige one is really nice, how well does it drive on the highway / off road? What are your plans for it? I really need to figure out which path to take.
 
All 3 trucks are cdn spec and all are 2f engines as it goes for my beige one its just like yours and it holds it own on a hwy. But never push them hard .
 
Hey Doc, nice to see you back.

Here is my personal opinion on 40's/45's. I think that they were made as a starting point for users that wanted a rugged vehicle. They were meant to be customized by their owners to suit their needs since the vehicles were meant to work in such varying circumstances from African desserts to the Canadian winter.

With that being said though, I think that these vehicles have come to a point where some need to be saved in the condition they came from the factory. There needs to be some reference to what a Landcruiser actually was before it was modified over the 40 or more years of its life. And to me, the determining factor is condition.

If a cruiser has been sitting in the field for many years and is a rustbucket and will cost more than its worth to bring it back to an original state, then do what you will. If someone in the past has changed out the engine for a V8 and the original parts are no longer there, then again go for it. But; if you end up getting a good example of an original then I would like to see it kept original, especially if there is history to go with the truck, because it is no longer just a truck, it is history.

You can do what you want with your truck, but from what I see, it is in great condition for a 36 year old FJ45 and from what I remember, it seems to have a known history as well. If you do decide to modify it, I would only do things that can be undone easily, but that's what I would do.

In my case, I happend to stumble upon a great example of an FJ45; I had no idea at the time. It is a good and bad for me, because I wanted a project and it is not that much of a project. I don't want to do too much as I am not sure the quality of my work is as good as I want for the truck. Some day, it will get the royal treatment. Until then, I will enjoy it.

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I have driven it on the highway and I have no issues. I usually stay around 100kph and have no problems, tracks like a dream and no vibrations. I also don't think the engine revs too much. As for gas consumption, I accept the fact that it will never bet 20mpg, but I don't plan to drive it that much.

I have done some light offroading as well and I will do that until I decide to restore it and then that will stop, but I will get another landcruiser to take its place. There are plenty around for that; maybe a 70 series.

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So, I guess what I am trying to say is that it is your truck and you can do what you want with it, but if it was my truck, I would get something else to wheel and keep the truck as original as possible.

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Thanks for your input Larry. How is progress on your truck, has winter put a hold on work? What's next on the agenda for your project?

I agree that it would be a real shame to take a straight truck and do a bunch of hacking and shoehorning. For such a project, starting with a wreck makes more sense. Many years ago, I cut the quarters on my FJ40 to install flares and have regretted it ever since. Some day, I'd like to replace the quarters and get it back to stock. Hard core wheeling was more important to me at the time but priorities and interests change and though I still very much enjoy getting off the beaten path, extreme trails are not what I'm into.

Are any mods acceptable? If you could add factory power steering to a mint, original truck, is it okay? What about A/C? Are mild, reversible mods okay? I'm planning on 2" OME springs to replace the tired originals because IMO, they take nothing away from the original, can easily be removed, and make the truck look so much better. No harm, no foul. If the engine and trans can be done in the same manner, and I keep the originals, is it then okay? On the other hand, my truck has power drums on all corners and they seem to work very well so I don't see the point of converting to discs, even though they were available in '78 and are a very common upgrade.

It would certainly be far less work and far less expense to simply rebuild the 2F rather than a transplant but in wanting to get more use and enjoyment out of it, I can't help but feel there's something to be said for the reversible resto-mod. Does a cleanly installed 13B-T and H55 hurt the truck? Don't know but I'm sure I'll use it less with the current set up. I have a Defender 110 that I converted from a V8 to 300Tdi and now use as a daily driver. Maybe less use on the 45 is a good thing. I'm on the fence about it and hoping someone helps to push me to one or the other side...
 
Doc,

Whatever you do, don't take my opinion as expert. It sounds like you have more experience with cruisers than I do.

I think you already have the right idea. Any mod that you do can be reversed by a new owner if he/she chooses. The difference is some mods are harder and more expensive to undo than others. It's hard to bet on what future buyers are going to want. If you are not planning on flipping the truck then you should do what you want.

As for my project, it is on hold for the winter. I got no space to do any teardown as the wifey needs her half of the garage to park in. Plus there is not much to do until I decide to start the full teardown and rebuild. I found that I have disc brakes on the front and I am not sure if I want to take it back to drums again. In my case I want an original truck. I don't see it as being driven much after it is done (heresy to some) but again, I feel there need to be some clean examples out there. This is what I eventually want my truck to look like http://s904.photobucket.com/albums/ac241/ramboandlucy/

Have you see Kevin's (Awl_Teq) build of his truck? He is putiing a 3B in it. https://forum.ih8mud.com/fj45-owners-club/260063-1978-lpb-teardown-rebuild.html Lots of people are in love with the diesels so I don't think you could go too wrong putting one in a 45.

Good luck!
 
Tari
I have my wheeling cruiser a bj42 with no plans of selling it. I also have a fj45 with also no plans of selling it, though I have put in the diesel it may have depreciated to someone else and to another appreciate.
If you are planning on keeping it then you will make the best decision and if its a toyota diesel then go with a 3b and a turbo. My 3b gets 700km per tank at $100. and with a turbo I have no idea as I have not put one on yet.
If you have questions on which diesel go to the diesel section on this forum.
Cheers
oh ! and thats a real nice looking truck !
 
Was away on a business trip and it was tough finding time to get onto Mud.


Thanks for your input Mac, like you I have no plans to sell my 45 but someday the need may arise. I have other 4x4's for tougher wheeling and have no plans to beat the 45 up. I plan to fully restore the body and interior and other than a mild lift (I'm thinking OME 2.5"), I'd like to keep the appearance stock while improving driveability so I can use it often. I prefer a diesel but on the other hand I also would like the changes to be as the factory would have done and for it to be possible to undo them if necessary.


I read through Kevin's (Awl_Teq) entire thread and am very impressed with his metalworking skills and attention to detail - thanks for the link Larry. I'm also interested a 3B based conversion but not in modifying the rest of the truck (I want to add a canvas canopy but will need to find a way to clamp the frame on as I can't bring myself to drill holes in the bed...) I'm certainly interested in hearing or reading more about your diesel conversion so I can learn from your experience, is there a thread?


Thanks
 
I don't think you have a hard time finding a 3B and putting one in may or may not add value. I would think as long as you keep the 2F on skid and put it in the garage your fine.

As it goes for my canvis cover on my bed the who I bought the truck off welded some steel pipe to the head rack and the rest is just sitting on bed floor but not welded or bolted in. In the nicer weather I can take a picture if you want.
 
Hi Red,
Pictures of how your canvas canopy is installed would be great, I'm always looking to borrow from clever ideas. Besides, Cruzr porn is never a bad thing!
 

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