Bj74 soa lift in northern bc

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Suggestions with bj74 owners. Lookin to do an soa lift with mine and just want some experienced owners to tell me what they think. I already have the ome lift put in last year and running 33x12.5 with no gears or mods yet. Doing the egt and boost mod this week. I do plan on also doing gears for 35-37 tires with a lunch box locker in the rear and move the LSD to the front after a very good clean. Now my rig is also a daily driver so any opinions are great. My back yard is nothin but old road and trails with a lot of snow. Luv this truck just want it to perform to its most extreme with lots of flex but also worried about floppin it on its side or rear. Also it's an automatic. Thanks guys!

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Hi All:

Spend some time searching around here on Mud, some guys have already done the SOA swap on a JDM BJ74. :)

If your rig is a daily driver, and not running extreme trails, one would question why the spring-over lift is even necessary? :confused:

That said, for the spring-over, you'll want to use the flat, stock leaf springs. Plan on much deeper diff gears to compensate for the over-size tires. Cross-over steering parts is an additional cost.

Be sure to post photos of your build, and the end result! :D :beer:

Good luck,

Alan
 
Just my 2c

I wouldn't recommend a autolocker in the rear if its your daily . Mate of mine has one in the rear of his TJ Wrangler and he can't wait to get it out . PITA apparently going round corners etc

Theres lots of opinions on SOA mods , some people are against them completly others like em. I personally think they're a good mod if done right and if it suits your offroad requirements, Theres pro's and con's to every mod you do to a 4WD. If you can whack some 60 series axles underneath the girl you'll have some more width for better stability or even better yet 80 series axles which are wider again

I'm in the process of SOA my Cruiser , Il be using some wheel spacers for some more width , stock axles are just too narrow for the height of SOA I reckon

It all really comes down to what you wanna do with the Rig , as Josies says , do you really need SOA if your just gonna be doing backroads and the odd track?

Just for your info , My SOA's going something like this , shackle reversal in the front , 1-2 " wheel spacers , Tightened LSD up front and selectable cable locker down the back . I'm actually doing this to both my Cruiser's in the next 6 months
 
SOA I would question why you need it.

1. You are going to increase the potential for rollover on road (braking hard or cornering harder than expected) and offroad (so easy to do anyway why make it easier).
2. Steering castor angles have to change
3. Braking will become unstable and hairy even if you offset the rims
4. you are only doing easy trails? no need - the leafs and shocks only get hung up on deep ruts. I have had plently of expeience this with my 75 in the jungle.
5. WHy not go 35" sneakers instead and a bigger offset rim?
6. Lunch box locker might give you a lot of grief including locking up when you least expect it in corners or straight lines.
7. LSD in the front ok but go for a ARB or 60 series cable locker in the rear and convert to air (unless its slow and ice etc)
8. The stock 13B-T has no issue pulling 35" sneakers stock.
9. what diff ratio are you lookign at using?
 
Suggestions with bj74 owners. Lookin to do an soa lift with mine and just want some experienced owners to tell me what they think. want it to perform to its most extreme with lots of flex but also worried about floppin it on its side or rear. Also it's an automatic.

Greetings!

I've been wheeling my '88 BJ74 with S/O for 8 years now. I have a love/hate thing going on with it. I Love the extreme performance. with 1.5" fender trimming, it runs 40" Irok's on flat springs. I've done hard core trails like Rubicon and Black Hills. I've done long distance expeditions like Canol Road and Inuvik. With 4.88 gears and factory cable lockers, It's a kick ass rig. And with the boost turned up to 21 lbs, and some head work to polish and port match everything, it runs down the highway with ease.

What I don't like about the spring over is the leaf springs themselves. There is little choice as to height or spring frequency. You get what you get. You also have no control over roll angle, squat, anti-squat. You also have major pinion rotation problems which I've addressed with a 'Bam Bar'. On the road, the truck is pitchy, rolly, and squaty.... just like every S/O ever built.

Loewenbrau might pipe in with his experience. He's also SO on mild lift springs, but with 60 axles. While running 37's instead of 40's, his truck is the same height as mine. 37's are about the max tire size without fender trimming.

Mine is as low as I could get it...so low that my tie rod and drag links actually make contact with the frame in extreme flex conditions. And that's with 10" from axle to frame in the front, and 14" in the rear. And I want it LOWER still!

S/O is effective, cheap and reliable, that's true. But it's so... 1980's. Sure, we have neat bits now to clean up the build like high steer arms and anti-wrap ladder bars, But it's an engineering debacle. I would strongly suggest following the 'modern' trend in 4x4 construction and going with a coil-over multi-link. You can select height, spring frequency, roll-axis, and squat. It's all 'engineered' now to get great performance. A truck on 40" tires will always have a high CG and will never corner like a sports car... but it can be engineered with the same principals, and you end up with a very predictable, controllable, and enjoyable on-road performance, much like a sports car.

I have one more expedition this spring on this S/O, and after that, I will be rebuilding this truck with a proper linked suspension. If you REALLY still want a S/O this fall, maybe we can make a deal... I might be convinced to sell you my complete axles with suspension that you could just bolt right up to your truck. I will have a build thread somewhere once I start that suspension build.
 
Thanks guys! I do appreciate all the suggestions. I do love the ride of the full ome kit but would love to get a few more inches out of it. I know I do have to move the front axle forward but another one is do I do a body lift? Ahhhh. So frustrating cause a lot of the guys up this way are on soa lifts and I do love the look of the truck sitting up a little higher. I love the build that lauenbrau has on his. I love that truck!!!! Now where and how much would cable lockers run me? Where do I find them? I do have some wheels that are backspaced and work perfectly that I bought from Steve from Ebi. Give the cruiser a nice wide stance so no spacers needed.

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Prob is now I am no where close to Vancouver so trying to find some one that will do the work is hard cause a lot of people out this way refuse to touch rhd vehicles.

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Here's a recent picture of my SOA BJ74 at Black Hills in July.
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Hi All:

Excellent photo Peter! :beer:

Got any more? :D

Regards,

Alan
 
IMO I dont really see a huge benefit to SOA. Flex is the same for the same clearance SOA or SPUA and both can be made to flex very well. IMO the ride height of your 4wd looks good, with 35-37''s it would like good, be stable and handle well. Lift does help big tyres fit either, doesnt matter you will still need to look at other options for clearance.

2'' ish chopped guards and stock 31'' tyres, they still rubbed. SPUA.

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Hulsty,

Here's the difference between your SUA rig posing for flex, and my SOA rig posing for a flex shot... Your's appears to be in your driveway.... mine is in the middle of the Rubicon Trail. ;p
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IMO I dont really see a huge benefit to SOA.

I disagree. SOA is not all about the flex, it's about clearence as well. I wasn't a huge fan of SOA when I first started out either, but after moving north and having to do a lot of mud trails where you follow truck ruts, I got real tired of getting hung up on U-bolts, while I was running 33's, stock mini trucks on 31's were not getting hung up. Also pushing wet snow is a lot easier with no U-bolts hanging down and the springs tucked above the axles, and finally while I did a lot of rock wheeling down south, it wasn't often but the odd time would also get hung on the rocks due to the u-bolts hanging low. You can say get bigger springs for SUA, but still you have a bit of stuff under the axle that increase the chances of getting hung up. My 2 cents, as I am now a firm believer of SOA on a wheeling rig.

I know opinion is opinion, just want to point out that although you can argue the flex and road drivability, I think the major pro to SOA trucks is the clean axle housing to just slide over a lot of the obsticles on the trail.
Cheers,
Deny

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where are you located out of curiosity?
A cable locker set might run you about 5k.
If your planning on regearing I would probably just go with ARBs for simplicity sake.
But your absolute cheapest bet might be to just contact behemoth.... Shipping shouldn't run you that bad.
 
I'm located in chetwynd BC. Just moved up here for work. Wow 5k. Out of my league altogether but sounds like arb or electric locker would be better. Yeah Clarence is an issue for me. Went out with one of the locals yesterday and got caught up on a rock. Lol. Funny that you would mention but the Toyota p/u that I went out with yesterday was only running 30" tires cause he uses those to pull his truck in and out of the shop with but he did not want to put his mud tires on. Even with those he just barely clears the shop doors and they looked all terrains. He cleared pretty much everything that you could throw at him. I got stuck in a hole and it bent my side step right into the exhaust and right down. Fml! It was a good day but more Clarence is a must.

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It would be nice to try and find a bunch more fellow cruiser boys up here to go out with for the day. Not knowing anyone up here sucks! Lol

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It would be nice to try and find a bunch more fellow cruiser boys up here to go out with for the day. Not knowing anyone up here sucks! Lol

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Ha Ha, good luck finding any cruiser guys around Chetwynd, although I guess when the swampdonkey's started out Charla was living in Moberly Lake. There is a few of us in Fort St. John, but still only a handfull and our meetings are really quite random. Your welcome to stop by my place anytime you are in John if you want to have a beer and talk cruisers though or check out any of my sprung over trucks, just they are all on pretty stock springs though.
Cheers,
Deny
 
Another affordable option for increasing ground clearance is by doing a U-bolt flip kit. May only give a little more clearance but at least its a smoother surface to drag over and has no effect on handling. My shock mounts are still hanging low but their are other options for that too. The down side might be that is it raises your bump stops on the axle but with 35's it works out good and stops the tires from rubbing on the fenders during full flex
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