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HZJ60 Guy said:
You have not studied bio very well if you are adding cetane and lubricity boosters and you are wasting your money. Bio has a higher cetane rating than #2 pump diesel and a much higher lubricity. When sulfur is removed from #2 diesel to improve emissions, the easiest thing to bring the lubricity back up is to add bio and make a blend of up to 80/20. This requires no changes in your engine or fuel system. If you are running higher concentrations of Bio, you should change any rubber hoses that are in your fuel system to Viton or Vitox, cant remember which is correct, google it..... Bio is also a natural solvent and will clean out your fuel system and engine of gunk and pollution. It is therefore recommended that you change your fuel filter after switching to bio at least once, maybe twice within the first few months or so. after this you should have no problems, BC bio lubricates better than #2, burns cleaner, improves fuel economy and reduces pollution and reliance on (foreign) oil. you can run B100 on any motor, providing that its a clean quality fuel, that will run #2 with no changes or problems.
Jim_Phillips said:
Hi Jim, is Biodiesel legal in the UK or is it like runing on RED dieslel. I was wondering what HM Customs and Excise thoughts on its use are?
Ethanol?
Hi all. I just picked up my HJ60 this weekend but I haven't yet started trying to run BD in it yet. I see some of you make your own fuel though. I'm wanting to do that as well. However I want to try the ethanol method of transesterification for veggie oil. I found a method developed by Univ of nebraska (or some midwestern univ) that had an good method. I think the key was an effective washing method w/ ethanol. But I haven't been able to find any info as to how corrosive this form of biodiesel is. Does anyone here know?
Hi all. I just picked up my HJ60 this weekend but I haven't yet started trying to run BD in it yet. I see some of you make your own fuel though. I'm wanting to do that as well. However I want to try the ethanol method of transesterification for veggie oil. I found a method developed by Univ of nebraska (or some midwestern univ) that had an good method. I think the key was an effective washing method w/ ethanol. But I haven't been able to find any info as to how corrosive this form of biodiesel is. Does anyone here know?
JD,
re: ethanol. definately a lower toxic way to make BD but you'll find that it is just as corrosive as it's methyl ester counterpart.
postives with etoh:
lower toxicity, fumes aren't rotting your head to the same degree
made from veggies
neg with etoh:
lower yield
you use about 30% etoh to wvo vs 20% with meoh to wvo
still heavily subsidized and big companies have fingers in the pie totally, can you say ADM?
your reaction needs to happen at a higher temp for it to work well, ie.. heating the processor which can be fun in winter
meoh is from this country or Canada but is also a big industry with big subsidies for what it's worth.
my .02....
biodiesel.infopop.cc is the definintive source of tech stuff on bd
if you have any other etoh questions fire away, my cohort in my operation runs the University of Idaho BD facility/research stuff and we can come up with some answers.
re: ethanol. definately a lower toxic way to make BD but you'll find that it is just as corrosive as it's methyl ester counterpart.
postives with etoh:
lower toxicity, fumes aren't rotting your head to the same degree
made from veggies
neg with etoh:
lower yield
you use about 30% etoh to wvo vs 20% with meoh to wvo
still heavily subsidized and big companies have fingers in the pie totally, can you say ADM?
your reaction needs to happen at a higher temp for it to work well, ie.. heating the processor which can be fun in winter
meoh is from this country or Canada but is also a big industry with big subsidies for what it's worth.
my .02....
biodiesel.infopop.cc is the definintive source of tech stuff on bd
if you have any other etoh questions fire away, my cohort in my operation runs the University of Idaho BD facility/research stuff and we can come up with some answers.
Hi all,
I am new to this IH8MUD site, but I happened to zoom in on this Biodiesel thread. I have been making biodiesel at home with my brother, and running my BJ42 and his BJ60 for 2 years this March, and although it has been a lot of work, it has also been very rewarding. It costs 25cents (cdn) a letre to make (time not included) and has lowered our exhaust pollution quite a bit (we know because of air care testing here in Vancouver). If there is anyone in this area (Vancouver, BC) my brother and I would like to sit down and talk to you about the who biodiesel process. We are not washing it, but would like to talk with someone who is.
Thanks,
Deny
I am new to this IH8MUD site, but I happened to zoom in on this Biodiesel thread. I have been making biodiesel at home with my brother, and running my BJ42 and his BJ60 for 2 years this March, and although it has been a lot of work, it has also been very rewarding. It costs 25cents (cdn) a letre to make (time not included) and has lowered our exhaust pollution quite a bit (we know because of air care testing here in Vancouver). If there is anyone in this area (Vancouver, BC) my brother and I would like to sit down and talk to you about the who biodiesel process. We are not washing it, but would like to talk with someone who is.
Thanks,
Deny
Mike,
What purity of ethanol is needed for BD production?
Colby
What purity of ethanol is needed for BD production?
Colby
Just jumping in here. I'll soon be running bio in my soon to be converted 13BTJ60. All the info in this thread is great! I do, however, have an issue with the folks who suggest that oil is a renewable resource. This is a bit of a rant, so I apologize in advance.
To begin, I'm not a petroleum engineer, nor am I a geologist. I have been in the natural resources profession for quite some time though, and I've never heard a single geologist support the renewable argument. While it is true that oil is a natural byproduct of pressure and certain geologic formations, the idea that oil formation somehow outpaces consumption is totally outlandish. It takes a very, very long time (thousands of years or more) for oil to be created from geologic raw materials, while at the same time our consumption of oil globally has been exponentially increasing. The question ought to be upon what time frames do we base labeling a resource as renewable? For the most part, oil is only renewable in the sense that oil withdrawn now will be replaced in a thousand years or more. A fat lot of good that does the generations of humans living today!
To further complicate the issue, the specific geologic formations that lead to oil creation are not evenly distributed across the globe--there are a limited number of sites where oil can be produced. The time it takes to produce oil plus the limited amount of land (or ocean) area where oil can be produced are the principle (but not the only) factors behind the concept of PEAK OIL SUPPLY. Even BP (formerly British Petroleum now BEYOND Petroleum) admits that we've either reached or are very close to reaching peak oil supply. While it is unlikely that humans will witness the last barrel of oil being withdrawn from the ground, it is certain that we will soon see the day when supply cannot keep up with demand.
To make matters worse, our increasing consumption of oil, formerly driven by the United States and other post-industrial nations, is about to go off the charts as China's demand hits full stride. And we're still only talking about supply as an issue without even mentioning the compound negative effects of burning fossil fuels! Even if oil were a renewable resource, which is a serious theoretical stretch, it certainly isn't SUSTAINABLE.
Biodiesel isn't perfect, but it's unlikely that a perfect fuel will be found and it beats the pants off of traditional fuels. Wide scale use of currently available alternative fuels and fuels on the rise (fuel cells) would be a helluva lot better than where we are now.
The fact that so many folks on this forum are talking about and/or using bio diesel is awesome. I only wish there were more folks, particularly in my country (USA), who were willing to make the commitment you all have. Perhaps if enough of us ordinary citizens take action in an attempt to do the right thing our leaders will follow.
.....and they may be led by someone in a Cruiser.
To begin, I'm not a petroleum engineer, nor am I a geologist. I have been in the natural resources profession for quite some time though, and I've never heard a single geologist support the renewable argument. While it is true that oil is a natural byproduct of pressure and certain geologic formations, the idea that oil formation somehow outpaces consumption is totally outlandish. It takes a very, very long time (thousands of years or more) for oil to be created from geologic raw materials, while at the same time our consumption of oil globally has been exponentially increasing. The question ought to be upon what time frames do we base labeling a resource as renewable? For the most part, oil is only renewable in the sense that oil withdrawn now will be replaced in a thousand years or more. A fat lot of good that does the generations of humans living today!
To further complicate the issue, the specific geologic formations that lead to oil creation are not evenly distributed across the globe--there are a limited number of sites where oil can be produced. The time it takes to produce oil plus the limited amount of land (or ocean) area where oil can be produced are the principle (but not the only) factors behind the concept of PEAK OIL SUPPLY. Even BP (formerly British Petroleum now BEYOND Petroleum) admits that we've either reached or are very close to reaching peak oil supply. While it is unlikely that humans will witness the last barrel of oil being withdrawn from the ground, it is certain that we will soon see the day when supply cannot keep up with demand.
To make matters worse, our increasing consumption of oil, formerly driven by the United States and other post-industrial nations, is about to go off the charts as China's demand hits full stride. And we're still only talking about supply as an issue without even mentioning the compound negative effects of burning fossil fuels! Even if oil were a renewable resource, which is a serious theoretical stretch, it certainly isn't SUSTAINABLE.
Biodiesel isn't perfect, but it's unlikely that a perfect fuel will be found and it beats the pants off of traditional fuels. Wide scale use of currently available alternative fuels and fuels on the rise (fuel cells) would be a helluva lot better than where we are now.
The fact that so many folks on this forum are talking about and/or using bio diesel is awesome. I only wish there were more folks, particularly in my country (USA), who were willing to make the commitment you all have. Perhaps if enough of us ordinary citizens take action in an attempt to do the right thing our leaders will follow.
.....and they may be led by someone in a Cruiser.
browndog said:
~20 yr. old cruiser/cruiser engine at that!
Amen brother. Don't forget about pollution and green house gas production of petroleum vs. biodiesel (timely since the Kyoto Treaty went into effect this week).
B
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Gold Finger said:Hi Jim, is Biodiesel legal in the UK or is it like runing on RED dieslel. I was wondering what HM Customs and Excise thoughts on its use are?
Red diesel (in the UK) is normal Petro diesel dyed red to indicate that it is sold at a lower duty for certain (mainly agricultural) uses.
Biodiesel is legal and subject to duty + VAT. The level of duty is slightly less than the petro diesel at the pump. It is legal to manufacture it yourself. As long as you declare to customs and excise how much bio you use - and pay the duty - you are legal.
If you were to manufacture your own and were caught running it in your truck it would be impossible to tell whether you bought it duty paid or made it yourself and neglacted to pay the duty. It is your decision whether you decide to pay up or not. Elsewhere in Europe bio is duty free.
Personally I think I am doing the country a favour by reducing our dependence on a limited resource of petro diesel and using a waste product that would otherwise go into landfill.. and on that basis I feel it is unreasonable that I pay duty.
Thank you Jim for answering that question for me as I have no knolage of biodesle at all.
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I have been running on home made biodiesel for a year now and thought I would post some feedback.
I have a 2H motor in my 60 - it seems to love biodiesel. The engine sounds sweet and has no problem with drinking refined chip fat.
I put synthetic fuel hoses from the tank to the injectors a year ago and they are still looking good. For the purpose of experiment, part of the origional fuel hose has been in a jar of BD for a year now and that is also looking good - it gives me some faith that all the rubber in the fuel line and pump will be coping too.
I had a warning light come on the other day telling me there was water in the fuel/water trap. I took a spanner to the bowl and drained out a load of brown gunk - initially I was worried that my Bio was clogging up the fuel line - but then relaxed and thought how the trap had done its job just as it is supposed to.
Now the warm weather is here I am back on 100% bio - all for 8p a liter. (Diesel at the garage is 85p a liter)
I am making 60 liters today during my lunch hour - if there is anyone not running on Biodiesel - then why not?
I have a 2H motor in my 60 - it seems to love biodiesel. The engine sounds sweet and has no problem with drinking refined chip fat.
I put synthetic fuel hoses from the tank to the injectors a year ago and they are still looking good. For the purpose of experiment, part of the origional fuel hose has been in a jar of BD for a year now and that is also looking good - it gives me some faith that all the rubber in the fuel line and pump will be coping too.
I had a warning light come on the other day telling me there was water in the fuel/water trap. I took a spanner to the bowl and drained out a load of brown gunk - initially I was worried that my Bio was clogging up the fuel line - but then relaxed and thought how the trap had done its job just as it is supposed to.
Now the warm weather is here I am back on 100% bio - all for 8p a liter. (Diesel at the garage is 85p a liter)
I am making 60 liters today during my lunch hour - if there is anyone not running on Biodiesel - then why not?
HZJ60 Guy
Tank Buster
Good for you James.
I wouldnt mind learning how to make the stuff.
TB
I wouldnt mind learning how to make the stuff.
TB
ohh it is
I want to adventually get my 3B BJ70 running on biodiesel, is there anyone that has done this? As for lubrcating your fuel pump, is the lucas upper cylinder lubricant good? I would think it would be better than running octane boost and injector cleaner, although I am not to sure of the lubrication of either product. The lucas stuff almost looks like oil in the bottle and says upper cylinder lubricant with injector cleaners and fuel conditioners and also says lubricates entire fuel system and increases fuel miledge and performance for diesel or gasoiline.
Thats what I am going to run in mine I think, until the bio diesel of cousre
I want to adventually get my 3B BJ70 running on biodiesel, is there anyone that has done this? As for lubrcating your fuel pump, is the lucas upper cylinder lubricant good? I would think it would be better than running octane boost and injector cleaner, although I am not to sure of the lubrication of either product. The lucas stuff almost looks like oil in the bottle and says upper cylinder lubricant with injector cleaners and fuel conditioners and also says lubricates entire fuel system and increases fuel miledge and performance for diesel or gasoiline.
Thats what I am going to run in mine I think, until the bio diesel of cousre
Eric Winkworth said:
before starting to run b20 in my 85 BJ70 is added the lucas stuff to every tank, and I think it worked well. there was a small increase in mileage, and it seemed to smoke a bit less at startup. However, this is relatively subjective...
Jan
I have used the stuff in my gas Ford ranger and it seemed to work well. I swear lucas is the only stuff that can keep Ford lifter ticks from driving you nuts
Eric Winkworth said:
Follow the biodiesel link in my signature below to see a step by step including part numbers on swapping fuel lines in an 85 bj70
I ran mine from september 04 through Jan 05 with no problems on bio including many long trips in the snow and mountains. (when in the snow I would put in some cold weather anti gelling stuff or mix with petrol diesel)
I am now running a running an HJ60 with a 2H on bio in No Cal as well.
As for the lubrication comment I am a bit confused by it. Bio Diesel has far higher lubricity than normal diesel (even the high sulfer stuff). It is in fact used as a lubricity agent in places that have already switched over to ultra low sulfer diesel...
Correct me if Im worng kids, but I think you can also run the biodiesel in your home furnace (assuming you are using an oil burner). Has anyone heard of this being done... or done it themselves?
I really like the idea of bio diesel.
Good for you all who are running it.
I really like the idea of bio diesel.
Good for you all who are running it.Red Herring said:
Not all diesel heaters work well with it. My neighbor has a Dickinson which he has run on it fine and he said the company even has tested it out on bio.
What I want though is a straight veggie oil heater. WAY cheaper/easier than biodiesel. The waste oil heaters will burn veggie oil but I have not found one that would work in my houseboat, they are all giant shop heater type things...
