Best all-around diesel for fj60?

[roscoFJ73]

Whats the specs on the Cummins 4BT? I read somewhere its only rated 105 hp or 78kw so it must have enormous amounts of torque to have so many fans.
Im not sure if we get i in oz in the Dodge pickup

 

[HZJ60 Guy]

Ya if you go cummins tho you stray away from driving a Toyota. I think alot of us drive a Toyota for a certain reason. I like Toyota dependabilty.

Not saying the 4bt doesn't have dependabilty, but I know the Toyota is solid in many ways.

Hey no offense BB, but that 60 is going to fall apart around that 4bt. Every toyota should last as long as Cummins diesel engines.

 

[HZJ60 Guy]

Well why don't you give us some first hand info seeing as you are in the US and have a 1HZ in your 60? Any trouble getting belts, filters etc? Needed any parts yet?

Well, I dont have my truck in my pocession. That said every part Ive needed to get come easily out of Toyota dealerships in B.C.. Ask Rob. Or, are you making fun of me?

From a US perspective, I should imagine that parts for the HZ will be easy to get out of Canada. Let's face it, they are still making HZ105's in 2006.

That engine may well end up Toyota's biggest longest produced engine.

 

[70sguy]

He he he.. You caught that hey! When you get rolling around in your 1HZ-T 60 the smooth power will make you forget all your 4B-T fantasies.

I know how easy it is to get 1H# service parts up here. If you find a good US Toyota Parts dealer and provide the part numbers, you should be able to get the service items you need in the US. Keep in mind that everything that gets sold by Canadian Toyota parts dealers comes through the US. The odd item you may have to get through Ens in Saskatoon but certainly not on a regular basis.
I have been driving Toyota diesel Cruisers for 15 years and have yet to be left stranded on the side of the road (knocking on wood) That said.. if anyone sees a green 80, hood up with legs sticking out, on the side of the I5 between Canada and Redding California on the 24th weekend, smile and wave.

 

[HZJ60 Guy]

Ya wise guy.

 

[brownbear]

Hey no offense BB, but that 60 is going to fall apart around that 4bt. Every toyota should last as long as Cummins diesel engines.

No offense taken

The reason every part may fall off around the engine....could be the extra shaking and rattling a cummins does

Seriously, what kind of mileage duration between overhuals is a 4Bt getting?
Toyota diesels get easy 500k or more(looked after).

 

[HZJ60 Guy]

No offense taken

The reason every part may fall off around the engine....could be the extra shaking and rattling a cummins does

Seriously, what kind of mileage duration between overhuals is a 4Bt getting?
Toyota diesels get easy 500k or more(looked after).

That's a good question. Ive heard of many (for example) delivery companies that dont want to spend the money on their trucks running them over 1 million miles. Those 4/6bt engines are about as tough as an engine gets.

 

[VTCruiser]

Well why don't you give us some first hand info seeing as you are in the US and have a 1HZ in your 60? Any trouble getting belts, filters etc? Needed any parts yet?

I have been driving my 1HZ'd 60 for over a year now and I have not had any trouble finding filters and belts. I found alternator belts at Advanced Auto and oil filters from the local toyota dealership.

 

[Greg_B]

It seems to me that cost wise, (and if you talk with the Proffit guys) the Cummins 4bt is the way to go. The engines are half the price, and if you trick them out a little bit the power is better. Certainly there are parts EVERYWHERE. What do you guys think? TB

Do you have to go SOA to fit a 4bt?

gb

 

[debushau]

dodge 2.7

Has anyone looked at the Dodge/Mercedes 2.7L turbo diesel from a Sprinter? It has to be fairly common at this stage, it's a compact 5 cylinder, 24 mpg in a big van, 250 lb/ft, common rail, very smooth motor.

Maybe it's a little heavy on the electronic controls and it's got to be possible?

 

[brownbear]

Has anyone looked at the Dodge/Mercedes 2.7L turbo diesel from a Sprinter? It has to be fairly common at this stage, it's a compact 5 cylinder, 24 mpg in a big van, 250 lb/ft, common rail, very smooth motor.

Maybe it's a little heavy on the electronic controls and it's got to be possible?

It is also pretty rare here. Not alot of them on the junkyard market. The electronics would be a PITA.

But I agree, plenty enough power for a cruiser.

 

[ChuckB]

Do you have to go SOA to fit a 4bt?

gb

Not necessarily, but I heard that you do need at least 4" of lift...

 

[GSPEC]

So what diesel is easiest to install into a gasser 60? Is the 1HDT a HUGE project compaired to say a 12HT?

 

[rick_d]

gspec-
12H-T:
you can bolt on air cleaner, vacuum tank(s), radiator shroud, etc. virtual drop in IF you have all the parts ala a 1/2 cut.

1HD-T:
you have to mix and match air cleaner tops, make a rad shroud, fit and plumb vacuum system.

welding in motor mounts takes 2-3 hours extra for hd-t since you must make them.

fitting everything else might take 20 hours more (rad shroud most complex, especially on automatic installs)

 

[GSPEC]

Has anyone installed a 1HD into a 60 that I can talk to, likewise with the 12HT, or is there a write-up somewhere on the forum about it? If I had a donor HJ61 right next to my FJ60 would it be as easy as swaping parts?

It seems that it is widely accepted that if money were no object the HD would be by far the best swap. Being that it is an object with me, I am most likely going to go with the HT given the opportunitypresents itself, but its still good to know both sides.

 

[lowenbrau]

I'm not sure about 'best' but if we are considering Peter's VW V-10 suggestion, how about an Audi V12?
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=98075

 

[tlcruiserman]

I think some of the other posts are very accurate, if you want to take the easy road then 12HT or 2H (plus aftermarket turbo) but to do it right you are going to want a half cut so the 12HT is what you would have not 2H.

If you are going to swap the whole drivetrain and do not care about mods that the HD is an option but also the 1HZ is an option, now the HD was factory turbo whereas the 1HZ in not, same with direct injection (HD) verse indirect injection (1HZ).

Just some other food for thought.

Cheers,

Michael