Best all-around diesel for fj60?

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Mongrel said:
How about an intercooled 12HT? Simple and cheap .
Cheers Mongrel, What price do the 12HT's sell for in Kiwi Land? LOL, do you really need intercoolers in that [ cooel] place, in fun. really need to increase the boost to get a good effect from the intercooler, but thats the way to go for sure.:beer: :beer:
 
Southbound said:
Thanks Rusty. Funny the 2H didn't make it on to the diesel wishlist. According to the website I posted earlier it has only 96 hp stock. Is that right? And you're saying the hj60's you've driven have more punch than the 130 hp fj60's? Wow. Then a 2H with a turbo and I think around 130 hp should feel a lot more powerful than the 2F...

It didn't make the wishlist because the 2H isn't as technologically advanced as the 12HT. As Bigbrowndog pointed out they share many traits, but the direct inject 12HT has piston skirt cooling due to the fact that its factory boosted. The lack of piston skirt cooling on the 2H can be detrimental if you turbo this engine I've heard, though many do and again as Bigbrowndog also pointed out an aftermarket turbo'd 2H makes more power than a 12HT.

If I didn't have a diesel and were going to go out and buy one I wouldn't specifically source out a 2H (but I would run a 2H before a 2F gasser), I would buy a 12HT at least, they are quite available at least in Canada since there are so many people importing JDM Toyota diesel engines.

I was simply making mention of my experience with my 2H to give you an idea of how the diesel engines make the FJ60 a better machine. A friend of mine lives in the US and has owned several FJ60's, he came up for a visit last year and drove my HJ60 and was noted the difference in torque between his truck and mine.

The Canadian market didn't get the 12HT; in the early years up to 85 BJ60's had the 3B in them and after that until the end of '87 the HJ60's came with the 2H.
 
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12ht from a wrecker about 2-3K NZD, cheaper if you are in the know. You can buy secondhand rusty legal 2H 60's for about 500-1500. Petrols are a give away. 12ht's still fetch about 3-5K, VX spec (lockers, elecs, 12ht, 5spd ect) about 7-9K.

I would still look at a 12HT, tweak the boost and pump, 3" exhaust and an intercooler off a WRX or something. there is a write up about this somewhere? 14# boost or something, variable bleed jet on the wastegate control line.
 
Here's a JDM Toy diesel supplier's prices in Canadian dollars from near me, they seem to like to sell motor and trany combos:

1HD-FT with factory auto and t-case - $10,000
12HT and H55F and split t-case - $9500
13BT with H55F and split t-case - $6500-$7500
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1][/SIZE][/FONT]13BT long block - $5500
1HDT long block - $7500

Keep in mind that anyone in the US that is doing this conversion and is buying their motor from Canada the Canadian dollar is holding quite strong against the USD right now. At the moment 1 USD = 1.11 CND, buying a motor in Canada might not be the cheapest way to go, or not as cheap as it was!
 
Rusty said:
2) Mileage gains will be somewhat lost when you factor in the cost of diesel, its now more expensive than gasoline.

where do you live?

In northern BC diesel is 15 cents cheaper a liter. And I think that is normal for Canada.

But Vancouver could have strange levies on the diesel fuel. They already have levies for the pubilc transportation on your fuel of about 10 cents......(i think)
 
brownbear said:
where do you live?

In northern BC diesel is 15 cents cheaper a liter. And I think that is normal for Canada.

But Vancouver could have strange levies on the diesel fuel. They already have levies for the pubilc transportation on your fuel of about 10 cents......(i think)

I live in the Lower Mainland, the last time I bought diesel and as far as I know now, diesel is just as expensive if not not more at times than gas. I've been out of the market though since my HJ cratered, so I could be wrong, but diesel at one time used to be way cheaper than gas.

The GVRD charges transport/road tax on fuel to fund the transit system, that tax ends in Aldergrove, 264th street if I remember correctly, though that tax should be applied equally to all fuels I would think.
 
Here in the US I just purchased 100 gallons of B100 BioDiesel for $3.10/Gallon... regular petro diesel is about $3.15. Regular unleaded gasoline costs $3.15 as well.
 
In Edmonton, Gas is about $1.04 and diesel is hovering arount .93/litre.

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Southbound said:
Check out this site, horsepower and torque stats for a ton of different engines:

http://www.marks4wd.com/misc.html

Is that info correct? :confused:

I looked at the 1HD-T


IHD-T
inline-6
4164 (4.2ltr)
DIESEL TURBO
115 kw@3600= 164HP@3600 <-- Is that correct? I though it was higher
357@1800
 
I can't vouch for the site, just came across it surfing, but it seems right for any of the engines I already know.

I'll try to compile all the horsepower, torque, mileage, price and whatever other info we come up with for the diesel engines above into a matrix for easy comparison. It would help me make any decisions and probably be helpful to others.
 
yes, 165-168 bhp are what have always been quoted for 1HD-T

Jeff "Icky" Bryant drives at 5,000' plus nearly every day of his life in a HDJ60 and has zero problems (since 1996).

2H's in north america ALL NEED to be rebuilt, so thus the lack of desire for them.

10,000'+ you will need a HAC style pump (no outta japan!) or a boost compensated turbo.

one day parts support for engines dies off. 12H-T's are pre 1990 production and non north american. HD-T's are 1990-1995, HD-FT's 1995-1997/8, and electronic HD-FTE's after.- all three were not north american delivery.

'90-'95 HD's (a 12 valve engine) share parts with the ever common 1HZ until 1999 (fully north american supported via cdn mine trucks) and some parts on the 1999-present HZ.

a question for southbound.
How long are you willing to wait for lack of spares?
 
Rick you bring up a good point... But I think it's a bit premature for the 2H. That motor has a steady supply of parts due to it's use in Hino Trucks and Toyota Forklifts... IMHO
 
Of the Toyota diesel options for a 60, I would DEFINATELY go with the 12HT. In stock form, it may lack some of the pep of the 1HD-T, but there's a lot about the 12H-T which make it a more reliable, simpler, and therefore superior motor than the 1HD-T.

For reliability and long term service, I prefer pushrods to timing belts.
I like my cam shaft to have bearings.
I like to be able to adjust valves with a wrench and screwdriver, instead of needing a Toyota SST.
I like the in-line pumps instead of the rotory pumps. A lubed in-line pump should outlive the engine.

Those are my preferences. The only thing I've seen that I prefer on the 1HDT is the monster freaking bearing cap. Awesome bottom end strength.

Plus, 12H-T's are cheaper, bolt up to H55F's with the standard F/2H input shafts.

12H-T Baby.

Now if power, sex appeal and money are truley no option, I would consider these options...

Cummins 6CT. No, not the baby little B engine from the Dodges. This is the 8 litre workhorse engine. 300HP and 1000ft-lbs torque are easy to make. SAE bell housings make for lots of tranny options. Totally sweet. Might need to put a giant blower style hood scoop for the top of the engine to hide underneath. Real men have 6CT's in their wife's daily drivers.

VW V10 diesel from the Tourag. All aluminum. Revs like a gasser. Torque like a Diesel. Probably the most advanced consumer diesel available these days. My personal most sexy favourite. Race that V8 gasser powered 40, and you'll probably win. You said money was no object, right?

Duramax. Good old fashion V8 diesel power. Quiet, powerful, and lots of upgrades, and a few used ones starting to show up. Should be an easy swap. You'll fit right in with the six fingered banjo playing crowd.

Peter Straub
 
No doubt that finding parts for older Toyota diesels will get harder. It could be a real chore for those in the US though I know that parts for the 2H are available because as PVcruiser says they were used in North America commercially. I asked our forklift repair contractor at work if he could get parts for my 2H, he said he could.

I remember that my friend had a Hino cab over NA diesel town truck (horribly gutless, yet super reliable!) that he used in his moving business, I remember that some of the parts were the same as on my HJ60, the tach for instance was identical. I'm sure it wasn't 2H powered but parts for '80's Toy diesels are around. As a matter of fact the later Hino trucks were turbo diesel, I wonder what motor(s) they have in them. :confused:

I've also sourced parts in Austrailia as well, and although it may not be reliable forever, parts are available through regular store operators on EBay.

In Canada, 4wheelauto stocks rebuild kits for all Toy diesels, and they have a good line on getting other diesel parts as well.

Here's the link to their rebuild kit stock: http://store.4wheelauto.com/view_product.php?product=DIEW0Z2J22

Or their home page:
http://www.4wheelauto.com/

From the sounds of things some people who have bought JDM Cruisers from Toyota dealers here in BC have had a hard time getting parts and service for them, I guess they are only interested in selling and not servicing them.

Even if you are in the US and their is no parts support, nothing is further away than a jet plane ride if you are prepared to put up with the inconvience of the wait and are willing to invest the time to work on it yourself - especially since most mechanics at dealerships will be unfamiliar with them.
 
have fun repairing the 2H, operative word repairing. I never spoke to 2H parts. I do know there are more dead 2H's from the southern border of mexico north to the artic circle than live ones, and ratio is I'll bet higher than that.

the $1,000 cost differential between costs of a 12H-T and 1HD-T, I'd go with the later. NO ONE ON THIS BOARD has witnessed failures of hz/hd camshafts, rotary pumps (where a inline would have survived) and I doubt anyone driving has broken a timing belt on a hz/hd and you would be a fool not to replace the $20 part as spec'd before 100,000 kilometers.

and do you reset your valves daily? monthly?

I just know that is the turbo water inlet and outlet gaskets for the 13B-T are OBSOLETE and the OH kit for Turbo is japan only, there is and will be forever a parts problem. Is it not great that the #1 injection pipe for a 13B-T is obsolete as well. parts check on isle one for a 12H-T?

southbound, best of luck with an altitude sturdy truck.

..and cdn mine trucks with HZ did get the HAC (high altitude compensator) and the HAC can be found to install on non HAC pumps.
 
I'd like to stick with Toyota diesels if possible but I went ahead and looked up the V10 diesel Tourag engine that Peter (A.KA. Behemoth60) mentioned: 553 ft lbs torque, 313 hp, 24 mpg. Oh man. I'll bet they're pricey as hell though.
 

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