97 Land Bruiser said:
No sweat... I guarantee they will eat the cost difference and you get the better bumper
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No sweat... I guarantee they will eat the cost difference and you get the better bumper
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Well, it looks like this was NOT Rocky Road's mistake. It was ARB's mistake. The bumper itself has part number 3411050 stamped on it, but the packing slip and the installation instructions says Part Number 3411040 (which I assume is the Non Winch Bumper). I think they put the wrong bumper in the box. When I ordered this from Rocky Road, they said they had none in stock, so the bumper was shipped direct from ARB's warehouse in Seattle.
So now I have another problem. I have a bag full of bolts and brackets and I don't think I have the correct installation instructions.
I doubt if I am going to get much sympathy from anyone on the board, but are the install instructions different for the winch and non winch bumper?
So now I have another problem. I have a bag full of bolts and brackets and I don't think I have the correct installation instructions.
I doubt if I am going to get much sympathy from anyone on the board, but are the install instructions different for the winch and non winch bumper?
I ordered a non and got a winch bumper, but they called and asked if it was OK is sub. The bumper install hardware and installation instructions are the same other than the winch bumper has additional hardware for the winch. Call and they will send you what you need.
Yes that is one huge box/homeless shelter!
Yes that is one huge box/homeless shelter!
I think it's funny that you pay more for a bumper with a hole in it. 
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tlcruiser said:I think it's funny that you pay more for a bumper with a hole in it.
I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING!! This bumper looks the same as the non winch, only it has a hole in it and cost a $150 more. Go figure!
97 Land Bruiser said:
Most of the hardware is for the winch install. The instructions were very poorly written. Basically, I found it was simple to pull the old bumper, slide on the new on then find the new bolts that fit or use your old ones and tighten it up. The wiring of the lights takes a little figuring out but there's some good posts on this as how to hook them up idealy. As for covering up the hole, I made a steel plate that screwed where the winch would be and put my license plate there.
I'll try to get a picture posted.
see if they will send you a free winch to cover their mistake
just giving ya a hard time
just giving ya a hard time
97 Land Bruiser said:
Yeah the winch bumper is the best. It always leaves you the option to put one in there. And who gives a rip if there are holes in the bumper. Hopefully they will be filled up soon!
HZJ60 Guy
Tank Buster
I agree with cruiseroutfit, the first thing to do is to call the company and inform them of the mistake.
Air bags should be against the law.
Air bags should be against the law.
sleeoffroad
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97 Land Bruiser said:
Pretty easy to understand. The face is different and involves more bends. The holes need to be cut / stamped (more work and longer time. The fairlead support is a piece that has to be stamped on welded on. More welding. Then there is the extra bolts for the winch mounting. Also the little solenoid bracket.
Soon you have the price difference made up. The devil is in the details.
cc93cruiser
CRUZAHEAD
i have bought lots of stuff from rocky road, really pleased with everything! 
Start saving the pennies for a winch...If you look, you can find some 9K Milemarkers for about $500. While I know others would say "wait and get the 12K" for general, light self recovery, a 9K should be sufficient.
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I am probably going to get BLASTED for asking this, but how often do all of you actually use your winch? I really don't see the need for a winch. That's why I bought the non-winch bumper. If anything I could possibly see using a winch mounted to the rear of the vehicle as being more useful that one being mounted to the front.
Also, between the ARB bumper and the winch, I estimate that I would be adding about 150 pounds to the front of the rig. No one has any issues (weight or handling related) with doing this?
Also, between the ARB bumper and the winch, I estimate that I would be adding about 150 pounds to the front of the rig. No one has any issues (weight or handling related) with doing this?
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Kaderabek
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I use my winch a good bit, both wheeling and otherwise. If you wheel it should be on your list. Relying on others with no intention of addressing the issue is poor form, in my opinion.
If you're buying one winch put it on the front where it belongs. I simply don't buy into the idea (addressed on the 3FE list at some length) of primary rear mounted winches, or winches with portable mounts. I have never had the occasion to think, damn, I wish I'd mounted my winch on my rear bumper.
Of course, I'm just a virtual wheeler though....
TJK
If you're buying one winch put it on the front where it belongs. I simply don't buy into the idea (addressed on the 3FE list at some length) of primary rear mounted winches, or winches with portable mounts. I have never had the occasion to think, damn, I wish I'd mounted my winch on my rear bumper.
Of course, I'm just a virtual wheeler though....
TJK
/lurkoff80board
The way I look at a winch is, it's there for a last resort. I don't look at a situation and say "oh, I can get through there if I had a winch!" I look at it as something to mitigate an unforseen problem. Pretend the winch is actually a hilift/chains/straps or a come-along and it's something you don't ever want to use. Because if you rely on the winch for something and it gets borked, game over.
So I guess to answer your question, my answer is I never WANT to use them. Think of it as buying it for someone else.
That said, I've used winches a ton to go up into the mountains to drag out old car chassis, appliances, and strings of tires tossed off the edges of landings.
The way I look at a winch is, it's there for a last resort. I don't look at a situation and say "oh, I can get through there if I had a winch!" I look at it as something to mitigate an unforseen problem. Pretend the winch is actually a hilift/chains/straps or a come-along and it's something you don't ever want to use. Because if you rely on the winch for something and it gets borked, game over.
So I guess to answer your question, my answer is I never WANT to use them. Think of it as buying it for someone else.
That said, I've used winches a ton to go up into the mountains to drag out old car chassis, appliances, and strings of tires tossed off the edges of landings.
this is a very legitimate question to ask IMO.
I guess the answer is probably that most people don't use their winch very often.
And yes, there may be other people around to help you with their own winch.
But one way to look at it is a risk analysis scenario. Let's say you are 10 miles off the nearest graded road and 50 miles from the nearest town, on a rough rock strewn trail, or a seriously muddy trail. You get stuck. You need a tow out.
You need to
1) walk out and get to the town or contact a tow truck
2) have it go the 10 miles out in the boonies.
How much do you think the tow will cost you? (Also remember that we get LCs cuz they go where other trucks can't go. Do you think a tow truck will make it where you are?)
Compare that tow cost to the cost of a winch/comealong/hilift.
Make up your mind based on where you plan to wheel and what the risk of this happening are.
Me, I don't have a winch but I'd be really careful where I'd go without one or without other trucks around to help. I'll probably get one if I do go seriously out.
Maybe one way to put it is this:
I've only gone on one "serious" rocky trail so far. One of the trucks got stuck halfway up the mountain, couldn't get over some rocks. It was winched out by a friendly trailmate. Without this, the truck would
a) still be there
b) would have had to go back down with all the complications thereof
c) and likely sustained serious body damage either way
That was only one time but came close enough to home that I was impressed at the usefulness of a winch
I guess the answer is probably that most people don't use their winch very often.
And yes, there may be other people around to help you with their own winch.
But one way to look at it is a risk analysis scenario. Let's say you are 10 miles off the nearest graded road and 50 miles from the nearest town, on a rough rock strewn trail, or a seriously muddy trail. You get stuck. You need a tow out.
You need to
1) walk out and get to the town or contact a tow truck
2) have it go the 10 miles out in the boonies.
How much do you think the tow will cost you? (Also remember that we get LCs cuz they go where other trucks can't go. Do you think a tow truck will make it where you are?)
Compare that tow cost to the cost of a winch/comealong/hilift.
Make up your mind based on where you plan to wheel and what the risk of this happening are.
Me, I don't have a winch but I'd be really careful where I'd go without one or without other trucks around to help. I'll probably get one if I do go seriously out.
Maybe one way to put it is this:
I've only gone on one "serious" rocky trail so far. One of the trucks got stuck halfway up the mountain, couldn't get over some rocks. It was winched out by a friendly trailmate. Without this, the truck would
a) still be there
b) would have had to go back down with all the complications thereof
c) and likely sustained serious body damage either way
That was only one time but came close enough to home that I was impressed at the usefulness of a winch
Junk said:
OK...but you'll have to pay both shipping charges.....
Winch = Insurance. It’s the time where you are going too slid in to a tree/rock and take $1000+ damage unless you get a pull one specific direction, is where they pay off. Yes the whole piece of mind thing to get out of a hole, or climb a ledge as well thing. But it can be as simple as sliding into a ditch. Yes you might be able to power out but you are going to take damage. A winch a snatch block can quickly become priceless in some situations!
With that said not everyone has to have one. If you hit the trail its always nice to have a truck in the group with one. (And a portable welder, and a…)
80 content: First time I ever used my Warn 9.5ti was to pull Guyute’s locked up 94’ yet high centered off some rocks. The pull was behind him, yet was pulling him forward. Cable went just past his right side 40+ feet to a snatch block (tree saver of course) and back to the front of his ARB (winch ready, but no winch) bumper. This was from my 40 so the of course I had to cable up to a mini and a tree to keep my truck in one spot. The 9500lb rated winch off the snatch block had no trouble moving him. But I knew there was some mass there!
Mark
With that said not everyone has to have one. If you hit the trail its always nice to have a truck in the group with one. (And a portable welder, and a…)
80 content: First time I ever used my Warn 9.5ti was to pull Guyute’s locked up 94’ yet high centered off some rocks. The pull was behind him, yet was pulling him forward. Cable went just past his right side 40+ feet to a snatch block (tree saver of course) and back to the front of his ARB (winch ready, but no winch) bumper. This was from my 40 so the of course I had to cable up to a mini and a tree to keep my truck in one spot. The 9500lb rated winch off the snatch block had no trouble moving him. But I knew there was some mass there!
Mark
Don't forget the name of this forum.
Cruiser's hate mud. The majority of members here are in the mountains or dry rocky areas. Those of us on the East coast (especially Ontario) have to deal with mud. The snow melt in the spring around here makes things very messy.
It is very easy to underestimate your 4by's capability in mud. Plus you never really know how deep or thick it is. Cruiser's are so heavy that only the Icelandic trucks on 20" wide tires get good float.
Back in the days before my cruiser I had a Samurai and my friend and his Heep were stuck in a mud bog in the middle of no where. Needsless to say my Sam was not going to pull him out, but it didn't get stuck. We called a cocky tow truck driver in a Ford Dually 4x4. He was all bad until the first hill and then he was out. It was pretty funny to see the look on his face when my Sami went past the same spot. It's not the size, it's how you work it!
It was a miserable night with hand winches. It came out, but about 4-5 hours later.
Cruiser's hate mud. The majority of members here are in the mountains or dry rocky areas. Those of us on the East coast (especially Ontario) have to deal with mud. The snow melt in the spring around here makes things very messy.
It is very easy to underestimate your 4by's capability in mud. Plus you never really know how deep or thick it is. Cruiser's are so heavy that only the Icelandic trucks on 20" wide tires get good float.
Back in the days before my cruiser I had a Samurai and my friend and his Heep were stuck in a mud bog in the middle of no where. Needsless to say my Sam was not going to pull him out, but it didn't get stuck. We called a cocky tow truck driver in a Ford Dually 4x4. He was all bad until the first hill and then he was out. It was pretty funny to see the look on his face when my Sami went past the same spot. It's not the size, it's how you work it!
It was a miserable night with hand winches. It came out, but about 4-5 hours later.
