To be fair, the bolt-on set up there using is plenty strong. Each one of the bolts has a breaking strength of around 30,000lbs/inch^2, and there usings 4 bolts per side. For the applicaltion its plenty strong, and for alot of people saving money on shipping will be a benifit... If it was going to be offering extensive roleover protection or somthing it might be different, but in this case were for the most part its going to be for looks, holding a tow strap (wile not being used in recovery), and giving a bit of protection for the lights its fine....
Allpro bumper
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Just another idea, just take the bumper to your local welder to weld the hoop bars on if you prefer it that way. Otherwise, I think bolt on is plenty strong for most use. Doesn't matter to me either way. I will not be using anything but the bumper itself.
All-Pro said:
good reasons and good ideas.
thanks for stepping up to the plate and creating a new product. its nice seeing something different
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We are listening to our potential customers. It was our preference not to have any hoops at all. Unfortunately we cannot please everyone with a production bumper, and if we did customize every bumper for everyone's personal tastes they wouldn't buy them because the price would be too high. Most people realize this, and if they don't like something minor about our bumpers, it is still cheaper for them to buy it and just modify it rather than get a custom bumper made.
We are not trying to sound like a used car salesman, but simply trying to educate our potential customers who may think that bolt-on isn't as strong as weld-on. We have been making true off-road products for 10 years and we pride ourselves on offering the best functioning products for off-road use, and not just for looks. We are not about to deviate from this philosophy.
Despite whether you like or dislike our hoop designs, our bumper still provides the best approach angle and off-road function with no comprise in strength.
We are not trying to sound like a used car salesman, but simply trying to educate our potential customers who may think that bolt-on isn't as strong as weld-on. We have been making true off-road products for 10 years and we pride ourselves on offering the best functioning products for off-road use, and not just for looks. We are not about to deviate from this philosophy.
Despite whether you like or dislike our hoop designs, our bumper still provides the best approach angle and off-road function with no comprise in strength.
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I think there are some great thoughts/opinions here. I would just like to have one of the bumper NOW! (slight problem with patience) 
Looks great, All-Poo 
the only constructive comment I can make , a styling issue- what about having the center hoop go straight up (instead of angled in) to match the lines of the grille better. Then the side headlight hoops weld on at a 90 angle.
It's a neat looking product. Good luck
the only constructive comment I can make , a styling issue- what about having the center hoop go straight up (instead of angled in) to match the lines of the grille better. Then the side headlight hoops weld on at a 90 angle.
It's a neat looking product. Good luck
rusty_tlc
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Compare the cross section of the bolt to the weld cross section, then look at the shear/tensil strength of the bolt compared to a weld. Also consider that the mounting flange distributes the force over a greater area than a weld would.FJCruiserOwnersGroup said:
In many applications bolts are stronger than welds.
AllPro:
What is your bumper made out of?
What is the hoop and flange made out of?
How strong are they?
What is going to fail first: the bolt or the metal of the other parts?
What is your bumper made out of?
What is the hoop and flange made out of?
How strong are they?
What is going to fail first: the bolt or the metal of the other parts?
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oddly, i have no front on shots of the fjc's...Greg B said:
Bolts, welds, blah blah blah. All are strong. But remember the rules of offroading: Where is your weak point? You actually want to INTENTIONALLY create a weak point. I think that might be what he is getting to. bolts are fine and welds are fine, just as long as the first thing that gets damaged is easy to fix.
For example, a weld may be better because it is weaker than both the tube and the bumper. During an impact, the weld fails, and can be easily rewelded. However, a bolted flangemay be too strong for the bumper to handle, so during an impact the bumper is damaged, and repair may be more difficult/expensive.
My 2 cents...I like the design. Should not be any weaker/stronger than an alternative welded version because the weakest point on both designs ought to be the weld...unless the All-pro bumper is made of thin gauge CRS or something else too flimsy. I like the idea of being able to replace the bars. If the weld is the weak point, then this becomes an even more intriguing and functional option!
For example, a weld may be better because it is weaker than both the tube and the bumper. During an impact, the weld fails, and can be easily rewelded. However, a bolted flangemay be too strong for the bumper to handle, so during an impact the bumper is damaged, and repair may be more difficult/expensive.
My 2 cents...I like the design. Should not be any weaker/stronger than an alternative welded version because the weakest point on both designs ought to be the weld...unless the All-pro bumper is made of thin gauge CRS or something else too flimsy. I like the idea of being able to replace the bars. If the weld is the weak point, then this becomes an even more intriguing and functional option!
edit: well never mind! Very cool! The site has added another moderator to keep things in line. Got to love this place, good work guys! 
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rusty_tlc
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This is almost funny...almost.
Bolts vs. welds...meh!!
Good job All Pro fer bringing some new products to the FJ world*!!
**Now go make some bumpers for the FJ60**
Bolts vs. welds...meh!!
Good job All Pro fer bringing some new products to the FJ world*!!
**Now go make some bumpers for the FJ60**
How much will the bumper weigh?
So I have seen bunches of different bumpers on the FJC so far, but I like this design best for the clearance angle. However, I do have a question on the weight. In looking at stock FJC's with ARB Bullbars on them, they seem to tip to the front. Estimates I have heard are that you lose 1.5 of the 9.6 inch factory clearance with the addition of the ARB bumper.
While I intend on a 3 inch lift at some point down the road, the bumper will probably be first since my stock bumper got screwed up when road debris hit it on the highway. Since I wheel, but not a ton, my criteria are weight, durability, aesthetics, and cost (last).
So I have seen bunches of different bumpers on the FJC so far, but I like this design best for the clearance angle. However, I do have a question on the weight. In looking at stock FJC's with ARB Bullbars on them, they seem to tip to the front. Estimates I have heard are that you lose 1.5 of the 9.6 inch factory clearance with the addition of the ARB bumper.
While I intend on a 3 inch lift at some point down the road, the bumper will probably be first since my stock bumper got screwed up when road debris hit it on the highway. Since I wheel, but not a ton, my criteria are weight, durability, aesthetics, and cost (last).
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FJCruiserOwnersGroup said:
Our winch mounting structure is made out of 3/16" cold-rolled steel plate. The bumper is made out of 1/8" cold-rolled steel plate. Hoop is 1.5" x .120 wall tubing with 1/8" thick steel flanges. Total weight will be under 100-lbs. The prototype bumper was made out of .090 cold-rolled steel for ease of fabrication, and it weighs 60-lbs. We just weighed a competitor's bumper for an 05+ Tacoma, it weighed 166-lbs. The FJ Cruiser competitor's bumper will weigh slightly more (plus winch weight), which will put a much heavier load on your front end. Our bumper is designed to be strong, yet relatively light, while providing the most clearance. With less clearance and approach angle you need a thicker, and consequently heavier bumper since it will more likely be hitting obstacles.
AllPro Bumper - in the flesh!
I drove down to AllPro today, and looked at the bumper myself (I figured if I wanted to get the answer to my question, I'd knock on their damned door personally ... and yes, I'm the same in person as how I write. And they still let me in, anyway
).
Funny thing is, though, that they posted the response to my question while I was out in front of their shop yanking, poking and messing with their bumper (thanks, guys!).
My impressions after looking at it is that it's a beautiful piece. It's strong (even with the .090 steel), and the workmanship is first rate. The welds are clean, the cuts are straight, and they really took the time to build this bumper up right.
I did stop and recheck the stock FJC bumper. The AllPro allows a much greater approach angle, and the way that the bumper lifts from the center towards the tip opens up the tires for all kinds of tread face access to dig at whatever it is you're trying to get over - especially if you come at the obstacle from an angle rather than straight on.
Another thing to note on the AllPro is that it's a shallow bumper; the ARB sticks out alot further off the front - like the stock one does, and it's quite a bit more "square." The way this bumper is built, it's way more svelte than any of the other designs posted so far (it doesn't have the same "square" flat face that makes some of the other bumpers look too tall).
When I saw it, it had the single hoop bolted on. The hoop is bolted through those two big, thick, heavy flanges and then through the big, thick, solid bumper (although it'll be bigger and thicker in the production version). The bolts in the pictures on this thread (so far) are not the bolts that are on the truck, and they look much better (less Franken-FJ ish) in my opinion. The hoop is very sturdy, and just as solid as the rest of the bumper. It's well made, and I would certainly recommend it. From the pictures, it appears to be sort of pre-runnerish, which isn't a look I would necessarily like on my rig; I don't want to get hung up on a stump or a rock because I have some big-assed hoop waiting to grab something. The hoop sits up straighter, with a slight -to- moderate forward rake. The hoop on their rig is set up with tabs to mount lights as well.
The pictures of the bumper and the hoop do not do it justice. One of the things I had mentioned that I was concerned about was the way the ends of the bumper finished. From the pictures, it appeared that they went off at some angle that had nothing to do with the shape of the FJC or the wheelwells. In person, however, the way it finishes is far more pleasing to the eye. It's a trick of the camera that makes it look funny.
This is a great bumper. After seeing it, touching it, talking to the people at AllPro, seeing how their operation works and the direction they are going ... I totally endorse this bumper.
...and, after checking out their lift with the Walker-Evans 12-way adjustable shocks, I highly recommend checking out what AllPro has in the way of suspension componentry for the FJC!
They'll be getting MY money!
I drove down to AllPro today, and looked at the bumper myself (I figured if I wanted to get the answer to my question, I'd knock on their damned door personally ... and yes, I'm the same in person as how I write. And they still let me in, anyway
).Funny thing is, though, that they posted the response to my question while I was out in front of their shop yanking, poking and messing with their bumper (thanks, guys!).
My impressions after looking at it is that it's a beautiful piece. It's strong (even with the .090 steel), and the workmanship is first rate. The welds are clean, the cuts are straight, and they really took the time to build this bumper up right.
I did stop and recheck the stock FJC bumper. The AllPro allows a much greater approach angle, and the way that the bumper lifts from the center towards the tip opens up the tires for all kinds of tread face access to dig at whatever it is you're trying to get over - especially if you come at the obstacle from an angle rather than straight on.
Another thing to note on the AllPro is that it's a shallow bumper; the ARB sticks out alot further off the front - like the stock one does, and it's quite a bit more "square." The way this bumper is built, it's way more svelte than any of the other designs posted so far (it doesn't have the same "square" flat face that makes some of the other bumpers look too tall).
When I saw it, it had the single hoop bolted on. The hoop is bolted through those two big, thick, heavy flanges and then through the big, thick, solid bumper (although it'll be bigger and thicker in the production version). The bolts in the pictures on this thread (so far) are not the bolts that are on the truck, and they look much better (less Franken-FJ ish) in my opinion. The hoop is very sturdy, and just as solid as the rest of the bumper. It's well made, and I would certainly recommend it. From the pictures, it appears to be sort of pre-runnerish, which isn't a look I would necessarily like on my rig; I don't want to get hung up on a stump or a rock because I have some big-assed hoop waiting to grab something. The hoop sits up straighter, with a slight -to- moderate forward rake. The hoop on their rig is set up with tabs to mount lights as well.
The pictures of the bumper and the hoop do not do it justice. One of the things I had mentioned that I was concerned about was the way the ends of the bumper finished. From the pictures, it appeared that they went off at some angle that had nothing to do with the shape of the FJC or the wheelwells. In person, however, the way it finishes is far more pleasing to the eye. It's a trick of the camera that makes it look funny.
This is a great bumper. After seeing it, touching it, talking to the people at AllPro, seeing how their operation works and the direction they are going ... I totally endorse this bumper.
...and, after checking out their lift with the Walker-Evans 12-way adjustable shocks, I highly recommend checking out what AllPro has in the way of suspension componentry for the FJC!
They'll be getting MY money!
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All-Pro
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FJCruiserOwnersGroup said:AllPro Bumper - in the flesh!
I drove down to AllPro today, and looked at the bumper myself (I figured if I wanted to get the answer to my question, I'd knock on their damned door personally ... and yes, I'm the same in person as how I write. And they still let me in, anyway
Funny thing is, though, that they posted the response to my question while I was out in front of their shop yanking, poking and messing with their bumper (thanks, guys!).
My impressions after looking at it is that it's a beautiful piece. It's strong (even with the .090 steel), and the workmanship is first rate. The welds are clean, the cuts are straight, and they really took the time to build this bumper up right.
I did stop and recheck the stock FJC bumper. The AllPro allows a much greater approach angle, and the way that the bumper lifts from the center towards the tip opens up the tires for all kinds of tread face access to dig at whatever it is you're trying to get over - especially if you come at the obstacle from an angle rather than straight on.
Another thing to note on the AllPro is that it's a shallow bumper; the ARB sticks out alot further off the front - like the stock one does, and it's quite a bit more "square." The way this bumper is built, it's way more svelte than any of the other designs posted so far (it doesn't have the same "square" flat face that makes some of the other bumpers look too tall).
When I saw it, it had the single hoop bolted on. The hoop is bolted through those two big, thick, heavy flanges and then through the big, thick, solid bumper (although it'll be bigger and thicker in the production version). The bolts in the pictures on this thread (so far) are not the bolts that are on the truck, and they look much better (less Franken-FJ ish) in my opinion. The hoop is very sturdy, and just as solid as the rest of the bumper. It's well made, and I would certainly recommend it. From the pictures, it appears to be sort of pre-runnerish, which isn't a look I would necessarily like on my rig; I don't want to get hung up on a stump or a rock because I have some big-assed hoop waiting to grab something. The hoop sits up straighter, with a slight -to- moderate forward rake. The hoop on their rig is set up with tabs to mount lights as well.
The pictures of the bumper and the hoop do not do it justice. One of the things I had mentioned that I was concerned about was the way the ends of the bumper finished. From the pictures, it appeared that they went off at some angle that had nothing to do with the shape of the FJC or the wheelwells. In person, however, the way it finishes is far more pleasing to the eye. It's a trick of the camera that makes it look funny.
This is a great bumper. After seeing it, touching it, talking to the people at AllPro, seeing how their operation works and the direction they are going ... I totally endorse this bumper.
...and, after checking out their lift with the Walker-Evans 12-way adjustable shocks, I highly recommend checking out what AllPro has in the way of suspension componentry for the FJC!
They'll be getting MY money!
Thanks for stopping by and seeing our FJ in person. Anyone who wants to stop by and check it out can even take it for a test spin to see how the adjustable coil-overs ride.
What's up with all the deleated comments? A little disagreement is good for the soul and definately helps in the debate of the pros and cons of new products.
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All-Pro said:
Sweet, I'll be back in a few hours
rusty_tlc
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Some comments offer nothing constructive to the discussion.gearguywb said:
Nuff said?
