80 v. 250 interior, driver position impressions

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I spent some time with a 1958 yesterday, and, having driven 80 series since 1991, these similarities and contrasts relating to the interior space stood out:
  • Greenhouse: The greenhouse feels less similar to the 80 series than I expected given exterior proportions. The windshield and ceiling feel shorter, the dashboard higher, and forward view narrower and more oblique than the 80 series. My wife, who is the Supreme Leader but also short, immediately noticed and disliked the lack of close-range road view relative to the 80 series (therefore, I do too). The forward view falls between the 80 series and 4runner, where the 80 is tall and commanding, with excellent close-range road view, and the 4runner feels like a horizontal turret window. The driver and passenger windows are tall, and provide a very 80-series-like view, which is nice. Overall its a darker and more closed-off space, with less glass and narrower views of the world outside; smaller cargo windows, tapered back-seat windows, strong window tint, and the black interior add to this feel. That said, the greenhouse feels more spacious than the height-cramped 4runner.
  • Cargo space, battery bump, rear hatch: We neglected to bring a measuring tape, but cargo space feels a bit narrower than the 80, especially at the aft of the truck, given bulky rear pillars. The battery bump, by iteslf, doesn't seem like a big deal; while the floor is a bit higher, the horizontal footprint is more relevant for usable space (who packs to the ceiling?). In fact, we both agreed that the higher floor would ease moving bulkier items in and out. But the battery bump, taken together with the lack of tailgate, leaves the rear truck lacking any flat, bench-like seating or working surface. It's a stairstep from the battery to the rear opening to the bumper; none of those steps is deep enough to sit on or be otherwise useful. We use the 80's tailgate as a lunch table and bench seat while touring, so, for our use case, this is a big miss; perhaps the aftermarket will provide for a slide-out or fold-down equivalent. To its credit, the floor-length rear hatch, when open, would provide better weather protection at the rear of the truck than the 80's.
  • Cloth, surfaces, layout: The interior materials, layout, and controls are simple, functional, and intuitive; it feels like a modern rendition of the more austere early 80 series. Toyota nailed it. The cloth looks great, feels great, and seems very durable. The return to manual front seats is fantastic; two levers, adjustable in two seconds, no motors or gears to break and no groaning, plodding electronic adjustments. Perfect. The lack of an eventually-leaking sunroof avoids one of the design failures of the 80 series. The hard plastics are straightforward; clean, simple, and they seem like they'll be long-lasting and less prone to scratches or damage than softer materials. The layout of the cockpit felt instantly intuative; simple and functional as modern vehicles go, which is very refreshing.
  • Comfort: While the real test of comfort will be days in the saddle on dirt roads, comfort feels excellent. It's a cozy, comfortable space to spend time in, and, overall, I like it. The seats are comfortable, the center console is an instantly-comfortable armrest. For dimensions, at 6'3", I was able to quickly adjust the seat to fit perfectly, as was my wife, who is a foot shorter. It's a reasonably quiet ride. The high AC vents provide fast, even heating and cooling in the cabin. The sound system is adequate. My main comfort concern would be head toss during long days on dirt roads, given IFS; that's where the 80's rigid axle shines, I didn't have a chance to test that with the 250.
 
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Love the cloth in my 1958! That was one of the reasons I wanted this trim. I think modern vehicles have thicker pillars and taller hoods for crash safety, which negatively impacts outward visibility.
 
As an 80 owner I can echo most of that other than I have a Premium Package. I’m 6’0” and 215lbs. Wife is 5’9”

I feel the seats are more comfortable than my 80. I have not done a long road trip yet but work from my vehicle so I’ve got two solid weeks of sales calls. The lumbar in the 250 is the first I’ve ever used where I didn’t want it fully inflated. The seat extension is nice for the extra support under my thighs. Cooled seats are very welcomed. I like my sunroof, it’s one of the main reasons I picked this package. My headroom is fine unless I try to wear a big western hat. But the headrest kills that also.

Vision out is not as good as the 80 but I don’t have any complaints. With the digital rear view mirror I can see way more than the standard mirror could ever offer. It did take a little to get used to but I’m fully assimilated now. I don’t like how the side view mirrors tilt down when in reverse. I still use them over all the camera views. I do like how the front camera auto switches on when parking.

I’ve been able to deactivate nearly all the nanny alarms so that I don’t get annoyed by them. Stereo is OK, I run off CarPlay most of the time.

I wish it had the old tailgate design but I’ll get used to this. It is less reach moving cargo in and out. The battery bump is weird but still much lower than my 80’s floor sitting on 37’s. I’ve loaded 650lbs of cargo in it and the suspension had no noticeable squat. Truck road very well. I’m getting used to the glass. I can reach inside my fridge pretty easy with just that open.

My son 5’9” and still growing says the backseat is very roomy and he is happy. Generally sits behind my wife who has the seat probably 60% back. He is impressed with the HVAC back there. Obviously superior to the 80 but also a big upgrade over our Outback Touring other than the lack of heated seats. Kind of a miss for the LC on that one over other vehicles.

I hooked up my camper for the first time this weekend. I needed to move it so I figured I’d check out the brake controller and tow it a couple miles just to see. Basically around the block test felt fine. I’m waiting until I have 2000 miles before I really tow anything.

Overall I’m very happy and feel this is the logical progression from an 80. My wife really likes it despite not driving it yet. She wants me to put the first scratch in it. Told her that could take a while. She never drives my 80 so this doesn’t surprise me.
 
As an 80 owner I can echo most of that other than I have a Premium Package. I’m 6’0” and 215lbs. Wife is 5’9”

I feel the seats are more comfortable than my 80. I have not done a long road trip yet but work from my vehicle so I’ve got two solid weeks of sales calls. The lumbar in the 250 is the first I’ve ever used where I didn’t want it fully inflated. The seat extension is nice for the extra support under my thighs. Cooled seats are very welcomed. I like my sunroof, it’s one of the main reasons I picked this package. My headroom is fine unless I try to wear a big western hat. But the headrest kills that also.

Vision out is not as good as the 80 but I don’t have any complaints. With the digital rear view mirror I can see way more than the standard mirror could ever offer. It did take a little to get used to but I’m fully assimilated now. I don’t like how the side view mirrors tilt down when in reverse. I still use them over all the camera views. I do like how the front camera auto switches on when parking.

I’ve been able to deactivate nearly all the nanny alarms so that I don’t get annoyed by them. Stereo is OK, I run off CarPlay most of the time.

I wish it had the old tailgate design but I’ll get used to this. It is less reach moving cargo in and out. The battery bump is weird but still much lower than my 80’s floor sitting on 37’s. I’ve loaded 650lbs of cargo in it and the suspension had no noticeable squat. Truck road very well. I’m getting used to the glass. I can reach inside my fridge pretty easy with just that open.

My son 5’9” and still growing says the backseat is very roomy and he is happy. Generally sits behind my wife who has the seat probably 60% back. He is impressed with the HVAC back there. Obviously superior to the 80 but also a big upgrade over our Outback Touring other than the lack of heated seats. Kind of a miss for the LC on that one over other vehicles.

I hooked up my camper for the first time this weekend. I needed to move it so I figured I’d check out the brake controller and tow it a couple miles just to see. Basically around the block test felt fine. I’m waiting until I have 2000 miles before I really tow anything.

Overall I’m very happy and feel this is the logical progression from an 80. My wife really likes it despite not driving it yet. She wants me to put the first scratch in it. Told her that could take a while. She never drives my 80 so this doesn’t surprise me.
Great feedback and impressions. Looks like you may be cooking up an AK trip—you’ll have to report how the 250 is for that, and of course share some pics. I think a small trailer, as you have, is a good approach to managing 250’s payload on long trips.

I should have made clear in my write-up that the 250 is overall, in my opinion, quite a bit more comfortable than an 80.
 
IIRC theres a way to disable the mirrors aiming down in reverse. I know my premium package doesn't do that.
I figured there should be. I’ve honestly been so busy I have not had the time to really get familiar with the truck yet.
 
I figured there should be. I’ve honestly been so busy I have not had the time to really get familiar with the truck yet.
On all of our Toyotas, you just move the mirror adjustment switch to the center position and it stops doing that.
 
I figured there should be. I’ve honestly been so busy I have not had the time to really get familiar with the truck yet.
I too cant stand the shifting mirrors.

Just hit whichever (L or R) button is illuminated, that will toggle it off, effectively the same as putting the mirrors in neutral on the older trucks.
 
I have both, '97 80 (>10 years) and now '24 Land Cruisers. I have travelled long and hard with my 80, its amazing and will never get rid of it, I can live in that thing and it has been truly amazing at everything (but going fast). Now the 250 interior, far superior, no doubt. I was looking for a 1958 but found a Base one for $1,000 more, so got that one.
Have done some trails and obstacle course with the 250, and recent trip from NC to Miami. I was going to take the 80 to Miami as it works better for that kind of traffic with the braille drivers there. But took the 250 and it was truly comfortable (I am 6ft, 220) and the electronic amenities made the trip so much easier. Brought my fridge for this trip, plugged into the 2400W and it was perfect. I have a solar system on my 80 that does pretty good too, as long as I hinge the panel to the sun when parked.
But interior wise, I have to say the 250 has a lot more driver leg and head room.

Pic for effects with my older cruiser

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