70 Series - Please Explain Yourself!

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Sorry - my bad! ;)

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True, true....heck, we didn't use any seat belts in the back! In fact we used to lay up on the parcel shelf of my Mom's LeSabre and hope she'd hit the brakes hard and we'd fly off on to the floor. And I remember riding in the back of my soccer coach's pickup truck with 1/2 the team going 45-50 mph on the way to the pizza place. Ahhh, the good old days!
 
LJ = model designation for the “Light” Land Cruiser with the 22R 2.4 L petrol engine or 2L and 2L-T (turbo) 2.4 L diesel engines commonly found in the Toyota Hilux

That is not true and probably quite confusing to new players. An LJ7x has the L series engine (2L, 2L-t). A 22r powered model would be an RJ7x. Other than the motor there's nothing in the code to distinguish a light duty landcruiser (Hilux mechanicals, coil springs) from a heavy duty one (Dyna/coaster based mechanicals, leaf springs or just leaf rear in newer models).

Toyota use one of the best naming systems around. Lets look at HZJ73 for example. The first letter, or 2 if there's 3 letters specifies the engine series. HZ in this case, showing it has a 1HZ engine. The last letter shows the family of vehicles. J=Landcruiser, E=Corolla, N=Hilux ect ect. The first number, or first 2 numbers if there are 3 show what generation or series the vehicle is. This is where we get 70 series, 40 series, 200 series ect from. The last letter specifies a specific body style or spec level but this is where it gets very grey with 70 series, because there's been 11ty bajillion different models over the years and only 10 numbers you get some overlap. The numbers basically escalate with wheelbase length in the 70 series, though the 4 door wagon is shorter than the 75 pickup/troopy.

70/71 = SWB
73/74 = MWB
75 = leaf all round LWB pickup or troopy
76 = coil front 4 door wagon
77 = leaf 4 door wagon (I believe, might have been coil front in some countries? we didn't get them here)
78 = light duty 4 door wagon or coil front troopy
79 = coil front pickup or dual cab
 
@dare ....... You mentioned that Australia didn't get the 77 Series and as a Cruiser enthusiast in the U.S. I would like to expand on that theme.....
70/71 = SWB ...... We didn't get that here
73/74 = MWB ...... We didn't get that here
75 = leaf all round LWB pickup or troopy ...... We didn't get that here
76 = coil front 4 door wagon ...... Still can't get that here
77 = leaf 4 door wagon (I believe, might have been coil front in some countries? we didn't get them here) ..... We didn't get that here
78 = light duty 4 door wagon or coil front troopy ...... Still can't get that here
79 = coil front pickup or dual cab ...... Still can't get that here.
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That is not true and probably quite confusing to new players. An LJ7x has the L series engine (2L, 2L-t). A 22r powered model would be an RJ7x. Other than the motor there's nothing in the code to distinguish a light duty landcruiser (Hilux mechanicals, coil springs) from a heavy duty one (Dyna/coaster based mechanicals, leaf springs or just leaf rear in newer models).

Thank you for the clarification. I’ve found references to the LJ being a “light” Land Cruiser with various mini-truck/Hilux components, but the details have never been definitive. And certain parts of the explanations get lumped together with the Land Cruiser II, Prado, and Bundera, so I got things confused. The RJ7x designation for a 22R is obvious, now that you mention it.

Here’s one, for example:
Hi I have owned both the (light duty) LJ78 and (heavy duty) BJ74 but comparing a LJ70 to a BJ70 both have the same frame,mini truck 8" axles on the LJ (pretty strong) 9.5" on the BJ (very strong). Coils on LJ leafs on BJ , same transfer case on both , BJ has 3B LJ has 2lt, 2lte anyways bodies are the same from from firewall back.
 
Hello,

You must consider the 25 year rule, which restricts you to model years between 1985 and 1991.

From what I have read, you might want a 77, which is available with
  1. A 5-cylinder 1PZ engine: 1990 - 1991.
  2. A 6-cylinder 1HZ engine: 1990 - 1991.
These you can source from Japan or Canada, and are known as PZJ77 and HZJ77, respectively. Both are diesels.

You might also like a 75 LWB Cruiser, also called Troopy. These you can source from Australia with
  1. A 6-cylinder 2H engine: 1985 - 1990.
  2. A 6-cylinder 1HZ engine: 1990 - 1991.
Keep in mind that these Cruisers are work vehicles that have had hard lives, quite likely with high mileage and/or in need of restoration. Again, both are diesels.

A few gas/petrol 75 Series are available from other places like South America or the Middle East, with the 6-cylinder 3F engine. However, these are usually very battered vehicles, especially those from South America.

Short and Mid Wheel Base Land Cruisers are available from a number of countries, mostly with a diesel engine.

Summing up, you may be looking for an HZJ77/PZJ77 or an HJ75/HZJ75, up to 1991 model year.

Hope this helps.

Just my two cents.







Juan
 
Thank you @dare and @JuanJ for the new contributions - even further clarifying it for me! I love it.
I guess I have been looking for the decoder-ring and the limited models that have made it to the states have left huge gaps in the nomenclature. It's all coming together.... The little lightbulb over my head is finally starting to light up.
 
@1978HJ45 You got turbo 22r 4runners and Hiluxes/pickups though, ours had carby 3Y then carby 22R! And SWB pickups, they were sold here until the mid 80s but they're so rare most hilux guys wouldn't know they exist. I've never seen one. A big plus for you guys is the W series gearboxes, we got G52s which are hardly strong enough with stock power.

Just ignore that we also got solid front axles until 1997, diesels and dual cabs though. :D

PAToyota yes I can see how that would be an easy mistake to make. There's also the KZJ7x light duty. A KZJ73 would probably be my ideal Toyota, a great base to modify from but alas, they are all LHD. Light Dutys share virtually nothing in common with heavy dutys aside from the transfer case and body shell, later ones even had a completely different interior. We got early SWB LDs here in Australia as the Bundera but they're extremely rare now due to pretty much all of them being wheeled to death and they never sold very well in the first place.

@JaunJ We got petrol 70s too. FJ75s are relatively common and generally in better condition than the diesels due to mostly being privately owned, they're also worth less.

Before 1991 we got..

Bundera/light duty in LJ70, LJ71 (turbo D) and RJ70. As mentioned above these are very rare now. Prices are all over the place too, probably because so few come up for sale that people don't know what they're worth.

Heavy duty SWB FJ70 and BJ70, these are exceedingly rare, there's probably more BJ71 (turbo d) imports here than Aussie models.

MWB in FJ73, BJ73 and BJ74. FJ73 aren't too rare, there's usually a few for sale in aus at any given time. They're quite cheap too, generally $3-5k. BJ73s are about as common as FJ73s but they vary wildly in price with rougher base model ones starting at $3k and going upto around $10k for neat LXs (elec windows, suspension seats ect) with turbos. BJ74s are unicorns and normally float around the $10-14k pricerange, but I don't think anyone actually pays that much. BJ74s are normally kitted out with all sorts of top shelf mods that are worth a good part of the asking price. About 1/3rd of the BJ74s here are JDM imports.

There's the HZJ73 which was supposedly sold here after 1990 but I've never seen one. I've seen a few MWBs with 1HZs installed though.

HJ75s are cheap and plentiful but almost all will be rough and rusty. Good ones can be found. Virtually all of them are white with a brown interior. Farmers have pretty much been killing these off because they match all the HJ47 parts they've got sitting around and they have the bigger front diff.

HZJ75 are super common, but again will probably be a bit rough. There's a much larger aftermarket following for 1HZs now so they're more popular for 4wders. Also white with brown interior.

Both 75s are available as troopys and utes. Utes are far more common but troopys are still plentiful. Troopys that are kitted out for camping tend to be done in the cheapest way possible and watch for ones that were fitted for camping/traveling but the crap has been ripped out. Both can be had for peanuts in rough/rusty condition but you're probably going to pay $6k plus for anything worth importing. Prices are all over the place and a $12k one is not necessarily better than one for half that. They're actually fairly common with Chev 6.5s or 350s installed if that's your thing. I wouldn't even bother looking for one with a 12H-T or 1HD installed, they're incredibly rare. You could slap one in the back or tray when it's shipped over though. ;)

If you're looking for a SWB or MWB then go else where, they're rare and almost always rusty or rough. 75s from Australia are a good option though, even if the steering wheel is on the correct side. :p
 
@1978HJ45 You got turbo 22r 4runners and Hiluxes/pickups though, ours had carby 3Y then carby 22R! And SWB pickups, they were sold here until the mid 80s but they're so rare most hilux guys wouldn't know they exist. I've never seen one. A big plus for you guys is the W series gearboxes, we got G52s which are hardly strong enough with stock power.

Just ignore that we also got solid front axles until 1997, diesels and dual cabs though. :D

PAToyota yes I can see how that would be an easy mistake to make. There's also the KZJ7x light duty. A KZJ73 would probably be my ideal Toyota, a great base to modify from but alas, they are all LHD. Light Dutys share virtually nothing in common with heavy dutys aside from the transfer case and body shell, later ones even had a completely different interior. We got early SWB LDs here in Australia as the Bundera but they're extremely rare now due to pretty much all of them being wheeled to death and they never sold very well in the first place.

@JaunJ We got petrol 70s too. FJ75s are relatively common and generally in better condition than the diesels due to mostly being privately owned, they're also worth less.

Before 1991 we got..

Bundera/light duty in LJ70, LJ71 (turbo D) and RJ70. As mentioned above these are very rare now. Prices are all over the place too, probably because so few come up for sale that people don't know what they're worth.

Heavy duty SWB FJ70 and BJ70, these are exceedingly rare, there's probably more BJ71 (turbo d) imports here than Aussie models.

MWB in FJ73, BJ73 and BJ74. FJ73 aren't too rare, there's usually a few for sale in aus at any given time. They're quite cheap too, generally $3-5k. BJ73s are about as common as FJ73s but they vary wildly in price with rougher base model ones starting at $3k and going upto around $10k for neat LXs (elec windows, suspension seats ect) with turbos. BJ74s are unicorns and normally float around the $10-14k pricerange, but I don't think anyone actually pays that much. BJ74s are normally kitted out with all sorts of top shelf mods that are worth a good part of the asking price. About 1/3rd of the BJ74s here are JDM imports.

There's the HZJ73 which was supposedly sold here after 1990 but I've never seen one. I've seen a few MWBs with 1HZs installed though.

HJ75s are cheap and plentiful but almost all will be rough and rusty. Good ones can be found. Virtually all of them are white with a brown interior. Farmers have pretty much been killing these off because they match all the HJ47 parts they've got sitting around and they have the bigger front diff.

HZJ75 are super common, but again will probably be a bit rough. There's a much larger aftermarket following for 1HZs now so they're more popular for 4wders. Also white with brown interior.

Both 75s are available as troopys and utes. Utes are far more common but troopys are still plentiful. Troopys that are kitted out for camping tend to be done in the cheapest way possible and watch for ones that were fitted for camping/traveling but the crap has been ripped out. Both can be had for peanuts in rough/rusty condition but you're probably going to pay $6k plus for anything worth importing. Prices are all over the place and a $12k one is not necessarily better than one for half that. They're actually fairly common with Chev 6.5s or 350s installed if that's your thing. I wouldn't even bother looking for one with a 12H-T or 1HD installed, they're incredibly rare. You could slap one in the back or tray when it's shipped over though. ;)

If you're looking for a SWB or MWB then go else where, they're rare and almost always rusty or rough. 75s from Australia are a good option though, even if the steering wheel is on the correct side. :p

I say: listen to the horse's mouth.

Great information for a lot of people here on MUD. Lots of Mis/dis-information here in the 70 series section as of the past couple of years.

Most of it perpetuated by relevant social groups. So I appreciate that you reinforce what I tell many clients who contact me about Aussie trucks.

:cheers:
 
Dare: Your response is really detailed and helpful. One thing I am jealous of in regards to Australia is that you guys have access to so many FJ73 used parts but if I wanted to buy any, then shipping is a killer. Thankful for having Beno though! He gets me the parts I needed other than the parts that the seller of my FJ73 gave me.
 
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