$500 roof top tent strategy unfolding.

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So, I've wanted to expand the 80s sleeping from 2 to 4 with a rooftop tent and finally am on the project. Bought one of these:

Cabela's: Cabela's Deluxe Tent Cot

The idea is to mount one of the 4 legs onto a plywood base such that when I go up the ladder to open it, I just pivot it up and it's in the proper position to be opened the rest of the way. By the time I purchase a couple ladders, two sheets of marine plywood, and a piano hinge I expect to be around $500. That will include a couple of those LED lights you just touch to turn on for night time calls of nature, etc. I bought the unit pictured above in the double size and have trial fit it on the roof mounted sideways. Perfect fit. It's totally self contained, 100% waterproof and has clever features like fold open cup holders, organizer pockets, and ventilation galore.

I'm going to mount it sideways so I can put dual ladders up so each of the kids can exit out their side and climb down. Crawling over each other for a single ladder wouldn't work. The ladders will go off to the side to keep the rear hatch area clear for cooking, and so my wife and I can access our sleeping spot through the hatch. They'll be almost 8 feet off the ground for safety from wildlife, and I hope to figure a way for them to pull the ladders up safely for added security The plywood will extend 20" to give them a wide stable surface to exit the tent, then step to the ladder, and a place to put their shoes, etc. This will also let them lounge up there to view wildlife, etc. I'll put some black nonskid on the painted plywood.

My wife and I will sleep in the Cruiser when all 4 of us go out, and it is also a perfect setup for the two of us to use.

Getting the plywood tomorrow and cutting to shape so I can prime it. The plywood will rest on my Thule crossbars. The tent will bolt to the surface, and when open the legs will engage hooks on the plywood. So the tent remains folded on the roof until we stop, just like a RTT.

This is a project I've been plotting for over a year. The tent is surprisingly comparable to some compact RTT's with its 53X84 footprint. Generous sleeping for two, with enough height to sit up for changing clothes, etc. It weighs 56lbs and I'm surprised how difficult it was for me to get up there. I look at the RTT pods at twice that weight and wonder how that works out. It has a door and screen on each side, and each side can open as an awning. The ends also both have windows and screens. The rain fly is a serious one with full coverage as this product is intended as a bomb proof shelter for a guide to sleep in while the client is nearby in the accomodations.

I will update with pictures of the project as it comes together. I hope it will just be a few hours of shaping and then painting the plywood deck, which will fold for storage when off the roof. I will be incorporating some features like hand holds, hard points to hold gear on the roof and other things, so the deck can also function as an open platform for wildlife viewing, carrying gear, etc.

DougM
 
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Nice project. Have fun! The kids would love to help build it I'm sure.

Been thinking about something like that but have not moved on it yet. One question I was wondering about is whether it is possible to keep the cot folded on the roof in the rain while on the move and have it stay dry. Can you leave the rain fly on when folded and is it sufficient to keep it fully dry? I imagine the storage bag is not usable if you have a wood base. Or if no rain but it's dusty will it stay reasonably clean inside?
 
I seem to recall someone on this forum either proposing that very same thing or having done it already...but having been off the board for quite a while, I don't recall who it was...

nice plan though.

:cheers:
 
Yeah, I've been off the board for a while as well. So the board was down TWO Dougs? Wow. Dabbling in VWs, but that is a finished project and sold to get back to my Cruiser habit.

The cover it comes in won't be used. I *think* the rain fly can be kept on when folded, so opening it in the rain will result in a dry sleeping area up there. It is set up in the garage, but have not put the rain fly on yet. Will confirm - good question as I'd assumed this. For a cover, I am planning a simple vinyl affair my wife should be able to sew in an hour. That tough, nonflapping vinyl they sell in fabric stores for boat upholstery, with a loop in each of the 4 edges and a cord. All I want to accomplish is zero flapping. There is no way I'll make it watertight or dust proof, but with the fly on I'll just be opening a tent with some water on the outside of it.

Project delayed as a single lone thunder cell moved through here when I got home. So the trailer I was going to carry the wood on is wet and the streets are too.....

Doug
 
Maybe its the six pack working......but I'm having a hard time picturing it in my mind.

Could you please post a pic when possible.
 
Doug, this is an ambitious project you have planned! Being the new owner of a $2K CVT RTT, I can see the motivation to save money. The point was made about storage for transport (on your rig) and use in wet weather and that would be my biggest concern. Set up and take down time may be come an issue, too. But with practice all obstacles can be overcome. Keep us informed with pix and stories! You definitely have others interested, including myself! :cheers:
 
Those CVTs are sweet. Someone put a lot of informed time into their design. I was looking at them a couple weeks ago and they seem like a solid product. I've looked at a whole range of RTTs. Have you gotten to spend any nights out, yet?
 
Not yet, but the end of the month I'm taking it on the McGrew Trail Ride, Southern Oregon and Northern Cali. Should be a good test for it. I picked it up on the 20th of June and wanted to test it out before McGrew, but with family and work commitments - just haven't got the chance, yet. They supply an excellent ladder that is definitely long enough to reach no matter the terrain.

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You can see in this pic how it's not fully extended, and yet easily reaches the tent. Don't know if Bobby(CVT owner) would sell just the ladder, but you can reach him at 541-419-2790.
 
Nice! Love the colors of your CVT as well.

I trial fit it Friday for some last minute rethinks of how this will work. I'll post up pics when back at the other computer that has the pics, but a big change is it will be longitudinally mounted like the CVT above. I need ladders to each side of this for the kiddos, and no way to do it except longitudinal. Also discovered pressure treated plywood is structurally crap, so I got a sheet of 3/4 with oak laminates and will be painting it for protection from the elements. The treated plywood is also incredibly heavy. I put the whole setup on the roof and it fits well.

Thanks for the tip on the ladder. That is a sweet one and I need a ladder a bit more than 8 feet long.

Doug
 
.........Thanks for the tip on the ladder. That is a sweet one and I need a ladder a bit more than 8 feet long.

Doug
Thanks, Doug! I fully extended the ladder this a.m. and the top rung is 8.5 feet in the air. So it just might work for you.
 
Thanks for checking that, Tom. I'll see if the CVT website lists the ladder as an item, and call Bobby to find out, if not listed. Have kind of struck out with internet searches for the ladder type I want. Pages and pages of traditional ladders that fold, etc, but not the innovative compact type of thinking I thought I'd find. I recalled seeing one that's a single center post with pegs like leaves folding out from the sides, but only found traditional styles so far.
 
Thanks for checking that, Tom. I'll see if the CVT website lists the ladder as an item, and call Bobby to find out, if not listed. Have kind of struck out with internet searches for the ladder type I want. Pages and pages of traditional ladders that fold, etc, but not the innovative compact type of thinking I thought I'd find. I recalled seeing one that's a single center post with pegs like leaves folding out from the sides, but only found traditional styles so far.


One possibility may be one of those telescoping ladders used by Handymen. They collapse to a couple of feet tall which is great to store inside the truck or on the roof, and look sturdier than the typical RTT ladder. Plus they are useful around the house too.

I mean something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Alum...342545165&sr=1-24&keywords=ladder+telescoping
(for illustration - no idea if this particular one is any good)
 
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Yeah, that's a nice solution. I was thinking of buying a 16 foot extension ladder and separating the pieces but storage is still a pain even though I save $100 vs two of these you pictured. Thanks.
 
I do indeed like the concept, very versatile and space-saver. I don't have one personally yet but thought about it. I'd double-check the sturdiness. But for a shorty like 8.5 ft they are probably plenty strong. The fold-in-4 ones are neat too but take much more space to store.
If you do want to save some $$, check CL, there are ladders all the time. Even free if ugly or damaged. With a bit of luck you'll find one that's damaged at one end like a bent foot and then you can just cut off the bad part.

But anyway, if it's just for the kids, you can always make it a rope with knots. Doesn't get any cheaper than that. They'll get a kick out of it, tell them it's Tarzan-like, and they'll get some exercise at the same time... :)



Now, having said all that, on a more serious note, there is the sobering possibility -if unlikely- that one of them could fall off the roof and break some bones or worse. I think it is indeed more likely with a platform arrangement like that than with a RTT, especially if used at night. If they and you are comfortable with the overall notion, it deserves some thought indeed -as you undoubtedly already did- in order to minimize the potential risk. For sure, I would put some clamps or hooks of some sort to grab the ladder top so it can't slide sideways, but I think the main risk is when they stand up on the platform and that's harder to manage.
 
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Yeah, this became an immediate and new concern on Friday when I put everthing up there for a trial fit and realized just how high up they get to sleep. Loved the height for safety from ground dwellers, but simultaneously realized I'd better have a bomb proof ladder strategy. So, working on that. Your CL idea is a good one. Find a free bent one and lop off 8 feet of straight ladder, install clamping hardware at top, grippy foot strategy at bottom. Sorry Ive been remiss in pictures. Life has been crazy with guests in town for 2 weeks solid and work busy as heck. Guests leave tomorrow. Weekend soon arrives.... Meanwhile the tent has been setup in the garage for a week and everyone of our guests has crawled in and pronounced it a seriously comfortable sleeping module. I agree. Our self expanding foam pads perfectly fill it wall to wall.

DougM
 
Asked Bobby at CVT today (by e-mail) if he would sell the ladders separate. The answer is yes, call him if you're interested. Did not ask about price, but would expect it to not be cheap. Remember, you'll have to stow on your rig any ladder(s) that you need. These ladders come in a 32"x18"x2.5" tent fabric soft case with handles. Relatively compact and easy to stow.
Edit: Jeeze, just checked e9999's link above and that's my ladder! Although mine came with hooks welded on the top to help secure to RTT or roof rack.
 
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Thanks, Tom!

I have worked out a ladder strategy. For $100 or less I can get a name brand 16 foot extension ladder. Looked at them today and discovered I wont have to cut anything to separate them - they just slide apart in one direction! So I'm getting a 16 foot ladder for around the house free, plus I can pull it apart for road trips. Not compact, but I suspect those collapsing ladders have gotta be pricey to ship and they're well engineered. As a double bonus, if I get stuck I can use these as sand ladders - destroying them in the process, but getting home by stuffing vegetation, floor mats, etc under them to get out of a bad spot.

Painted the roof deck today. Just a basic white coat to protect the wood as we were going to test it this weekend. I'll top coat it after drilling. Looks like we're going to pull the boat somewhere instead of camping. More as the story develops.

DougM
 
That's the kind that came with my RTT. It's a couple inches too short, just have to toss a milk crate or something under it, but works great otherwise.



One possibility may be one of those telescoping ladders used by Handymen. They collapse to a couple of feet tall which is great to store inside the truck or on the roof, and look sturdier than the typical RTT ladder. Plus they are useful around the house too.

I mean something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Alum...342545165&sr=1-24&keywords=ladder+telescoping
(for illustration - no idea if this particular one is any good)
 
That's the kind that came with my RTT. It's a couple inches too short, just have to toss a milk crate or something under it, but works great otherwise.
You gotta be kidding! I've got approx 3" lift and still have 2 sections on my ladder un-extended to reach my RTT. Do you have the 8.5' ladder or is yours the shorter version?
 
Thanks, Tom!

I have worked out a ladder strategy. For $100 or less I can get a name brand 16 foot extension ladder. Looked at them today and discovered I wont have to cut anything to separate them - they just slide apart in one direction! So I'm getting a 16 foot ladder for around the house free, plus I can pull it apart for road trips. Not compact, but I suspect those collapsing ladders have gotta be pricey to ship and they're well engineered. As a double bonus, if I get stuck I can use these as sand ladders - destroying them in the process, but getting home by stuffing vegetation, floor mats, etc under them to get out of a bad spot.

Painted the roof deck today. Just a basic white coat to protect the wood as we were going to test it this weekend. I'll top coat it after drilling. Looks like we're going to pull the boat somewhere instead of camping. More as the story develops.

DougM



Doug, I think I would get tired pretty quick of having to stash 2 solid 8+' of ladder on the roof. That seems very unwieldy to me. (And are 2 really necessary? Would it not be pretty easy also to use only one?)
 

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