cc93cruiser
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4Plus Rock Sliders Land Cruiser 80 Series from man-a-fre..........I just wanted to know if anybody had these installed on their 80 series cruiser and if there happy with them, are they as beefy as hanna's or slee's?
4Plus Rock Sliders Land Cruiser 80 Series from man-a-fre
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cc93cruiser
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here you go buddy- http://www.man-a-fre.com/feature_items/4+plusrocksliders.htm
cc93cruiser said:
Nope, dont have them.
cc93cruiser
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wb, how old are you 10?
17. I didn't mean to ask for the link myself, I could have easily looked it up. I just wanted to help improve the quality of your thread.
cc93cruiser
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k, thought you were getting smart since I got you in your thread, I guess were even huh 
I don't have those sliders (or any sliders right now 
) but going by the dimensions of the stock they use for the sliders I would say that they would be plenty strong. They are weld on sliders though. I will probably get flamed from some members of this forum for saying this, but here it goes anyway. I would never weld anything to my frame. Welding on a frame actually can create a weak spot in the frame as it destroys the temper in the area that has been welded. I don't know how big of a problem this would be for a vehicle that size of a landcruiser, but on large trucks, welding on the frame is dangerous enough that it is illegal. I'm pretty sure its not illegal to weld on your frame, but the potential damage is something to consider. Just my .02. 
) but going by the dimensions of the stock they use for the sliders I would say that they would be plenty strong. They are weld on sliders though. I will probably get flamed from some members of this forum for saying this, but here it goes anyway. I would never weld anything to my frame. Welding on a frame actually can create a weak spot in the frame as it destroys the temper in the area that has been welded. I don't know how big of a problem this would be for a vehicle that size of a landcruiser, but on large trucks, welding on the frame is dangerous enough that it is illegal. I'm pretty sure its not illegal to weld on your frame, but the potential damage is something to consider. Just my .02. 
At that price, why not get the real thing from Slee or Ken Hanna?
cc93cruiser
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good point riley didn't realize that.
Dave Gore makes quality stuff. It will be plenty strong. Pat Takash has some of Dave's creations on his 80.
seabeecruiser said:I don't have those sliders (or any sliders right now
Toyota does not heat treat their frames in any way. Welding to them does not affect them if done properly. I say if done properly because the direction of the weld can cause a weak spot. It is recomended that the welds go diagonal on the frame wall, rather than horizontal/vertical. If the feet on the slider are welded on in a square fashion the frame *can* rip at the top and bottom weld(never seen it in person, but I have seen pictures). The feet should be welded on in a diamond pattern to avoid this.
I personally wouldn't want weld-on sliders. THose do look nice though, and if you wanted weld on, i'de say get them. 4plus does have a kick-ass rear bumper on there that was way $$$$, but still looked like the nicest rear bumper i'v seen.
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There was a thread a few months ago--you can search for it because I don't feel like it right now 
--where the pros and cons were discussed of bolt on vs. weld on sliders.
The general consensus was, with a few exceptions of course, that bolt on were preferable for the following reasons:
1. They are just as functional/protective as weld on sliders
2. You can remove them far easier if you need to do any work in the area (exhaust), or if you sell your vehicle.
3. You don't need a welder to install them
--where the pros and cons were discussed of bolt on vs. weld on sliders.The general consensus was, with a few exceptions of course, that bolt on were preferable for the following reasons:
1. They are just as functional/protective as weld on sliders
2. You can remove them far easier if you need to do any work in the area (exhaust), or if you sell your vehicle.
3. You don't need a welder to install them
Seabee,
just a little point of clarification here on the welding to frame comments.
1. it is not illegal to weld to the frame on any commercial vehicle. this is an urban myth and is utter bull s***.
2. You have to be very careful of how you weld to the frame and it what areas of the frame you weld too. For the last 9 months I have welded Ill bet 20-30 frame rails at the end on international and sterling full size semi type trucks. granted this is always at least 2' from the nearest cross member or spring perch. this is with the blessing of both international and sterling. Not recommended but definitely not illegal by any stretch of the imagination. You just need to have your settings right and use the right type of wire to not exceed the tensile strength of the frame. You also have to be very careful of the heat input as this will casue carbon affected zones wich become more brittle than the surounding areas of the frame. If you look closely at these (not lc's) types of trucks very little if any welding is done to the frame rails. most of the attachment points are with bolts or rivets. not so with the cruiser all of your cross members are welded in place.
3. Josh makes the final point here that is this is not the same type of steel that is used in heavy truck fabrication. different demon all together. I am not saying that any joe with a weldpak can stick on whatever he wants to the frame and it will not affect it I am merely trying to dispel an urban myth.
Dave,
recently quit fabricating truck and van bodies to go back at looking at wrecked cars.
just a little point of clarification here on the welding to frame comments.
1. it is not illegal to weld to the frame on any commercial vehicle. this is an urban myth and is utter bull s***.
2. You have to be very careful of how you weld to the frame and it what areas of the frame you weld too. For the last 9 months I have welded Ill bet 20-30 frame rails at the end on international and sterling full size semi type trucks. granted this is always at least 2' from the nearest cross member or spring perch. this is with the blessing of both international and sterling. Not recommended but definitely not illegal by any stretch of the imagination. You just need to have your settings right and use the right type of wire to not exceed the tensile strength of the frame. You also have to be very careful of the heat input as this will casue carbon affected zones wich become more brittle than the surounding areas of the frame. If you look closely at these (not lc's) types of trucks very little if any welding is done to the frame rails. most of the attachment points are with bolts or rivets. not so with the cruiser all of your cross members are welded in place.
3. Josh makes the final point here that is this is not the same type of steel that is used in heavy truck fabrication. different demon all together. I am not saying that any joe with a weldpak can stick on whatever he wants to the frame and it will not affect it I am merely trying to dispel an urban myth.
Dave,
recently quit fabricating truck and van bodies to go back at looking at wrecked cars.
I considered those, but went with Hanna instead. I think they are about the same quality though.
Well, I understand that toyota doesn't heat treat their frames. There is still the potential for damage to the frame, especially from someone who may try to tack them on themselves and not know the proper heat settings ,ect...
I am an apprentice in a mechanic shop for the local utility company. We have an excellent relationship with the local DOT officials. As far as they are concerned, any weld on a frame that is not put there by the manufacturer or an approved sub contractor to the manufacturer is illegal and is criteria to place a vehicle out of service. Not sure how things are in your area, but that is how we are trained.
I am an apprentice in a mechanic shop for the local utility company. We have an excellent relationship with the local DOT officials. As far as they are concerned, any weld on a frame that is not put there by the manufacturer or an approved sub contractor to the manufacturer is illegal and is criteria to place a vehicle out of service. Not sure how things are in your area, but that is how we are trained.
"Seabee,
just a little point of clarification here on the welding to frame comments.
1. it is not illegal to weld to the frame on any commercial vehicle. this is an urban myth and is utter bull $#!*. "
Actually here in Arizona you can weld on a frame but you have to be a certified welder to weld on any commercial vehicle. I welded some shackle mounts onto a friends dumptruck and he was pulled over a couple days later due to a broken light, The officer asked him who welded the mounts on, I guess he didn't paint them yet, and he said he had a friend do it. He then got a nice "fit-it" ticket to either remove the mounts or have a certified welder do it. What a bunch of A-Holes.
just a little point of clarification here on the welding to frame comments.
1. it is not illegal to weld to the frame on any commercial vehicle. this is an urban myth and is utter bull $#!*. "
Actually here in Arizona you can weld on a frame but you have to be a certified welder to weld on any commercial vehicle. I welded some shackle mounts onto a friends dumptruck and he was pulled over a couple days later due to a broken light, The officer asked him who welded the mounts on, I guess he didn't paint them yet, and he said he had a friend do it. He then got a nice "fit-it" ticket to either remove the mounts or have a certified welder do it. What a bunch of A-Holes.
