4 banger LC, thoughts?

[M1911]

The use of Hybrid/ev technology in trucks has never been done before and is therefore in its experimental stage.

That is such complete and utter nonsense.

RAM and Jeep started selling mild hybrid trucks in 2019. Ford started selling a hybrid F150 in 2021. GM started making hybrid Tahoes way back in 2008.

You don’t like hybrids. We get it. But please stop making up nonsense like this.

Toyota has decades of experience with hybrids. They know how to do it. It isn’t in any way experimental.

 

[LazarusTaxa]

Im curious how much the NIMH battery actually costs.. I see a lot of people concerned with the longevity of the battery considering the LC is a "lasts forever" vehicle. How much does a replacement actually cost? I assume someone with access to the Toyota parts system might be able to check MSRP? It's only like 1 KWH which is tiny compared to a full EV battery, and it's also not LiIon which i would assume costs more.

 

[subspd]

Im curious how much the NIMH battery actually costs.. I see a lot of people concerned with the longevity of the battery considering the LC is a "lasts forever" vehicle. How much does a replacement actually cost? I assume someone with access to the Toyota parts system might be able to check MSRP? It's only like 1 KWH which is tiny compared to a full EV battery, and it's also not LiIon which i would assume costs more.

Prius can be replaced at home easily, lots of youtube on it, they are about 2k tops. But these batteries are next gen from what I understand.

 

[Tigerstripe40]

Im curious how much the NIMH battery actually costs.. I see a lot of people concerned with the longevity of the battery considering the LC is a "lasts forever" vehicle. How much does a replacement actually cost? I assume someone with access to the Toyota parts system might be able to check MSRP? It's only like 1 KWH which is tiny compared to a full EV battery, and it's also not LiIon which i would assume costs more.

I just googled it...
The Land Cruiser 250's battery is a 1.87 KW/H battery.

The 11-13 HIGHLANDER HYBRID BATTERY is the same size as the LC250 battery, and an aftermarket battery runs about $2400

2011-2013 Toyota Highlander Hybrid Battery - Best Hybrid Batteries

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New OEM battery from Toyota is $5700 retail.

2013 TOYOTA HIGHLANDER Hybrid 3.5L FULL HYBRID EV-GAS (FHEV) CVT AWD HYBRID COMPONENTS. COOLING SYSTEM.

Diagram of OEM HYBRID COMPONENTS. COOLING SYSTEM. Contains 10 parts priced between $105.27 and $5,630.85. Fits 2013 TOYOTA HIGHLANDER Hybrid 3.5L FULL HYBRID EV-GAS (FHEV) CVT AWD.

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[LazarusTaxa]

$5700 is crazy for a replacement "tiny" battery for sure.. I wonder how much Partsouq would charge to ship one.. Lol

 

[jetstream23]

Been patiently waiting and hoping for a reintroduction of the LC in the US. I like the hybrid approach. Toyota's expertise is in hybrid technology, working on it for 20+ years dating back to the Prius. Seems like the right "cocktail" of power and efficiency with a Turbo 4 + Battery. I'd focus more on the Torque, HP, power curves and mileage rather than what's under the hood delivering all that. Glad they didn't do anything stupid like go full EV. Have you seen the curb weights on these monstrosities like the GMC Hummer and Cadillac Escalade IQ (9,000 lbs???) ? Although it does sound like one sacrifice will be no 3rd row seat in the LC due to battery size.

I never jump on a new vehicle design in it's first year so I'm not keen on a 2024 LC (I'm not a Beta tester/guinea pig), but I've definitely started a clock ticking in my head for 2025 or 2026. Hopefully the initial 2024 release is close to flawless but all these companies learn something in that first year or two that they correct and incorporate into subsequent model years (don't underestimate software tweaks and patches either).

The exterior looks good to me. Can't help thinking the designers had an eye on the Ford Bronco when it hit the streets a few years ago around the time this new LC was on the drawing board. But I like the looks of the Bronco. I think Ford and Toyota have both found ways stay true to the historical looks of their iconic vehicles while modernizing them. Toyota's pricing tells me the Bronco might be what they think they're competing with.

Stupid question (admittedly I haven't really searched this) - Will Toyota offer Android & Apple Carplay in the infotainment or are they staying with proprietary Toyota infotainment? From the press release, "Available 12.3-inch touchscreen displays latest Toyota Audio Multimedia system and Multi Terrain Monitor"

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[subspd]

Been patiently waiting and hoping for a reintroduction of the LC in the US. I like the hybrid approach.

Yep carplay and android auto on both the base system and the 12" premium one. I would never buy a new car again without carplay. I add it to anything I have that is older too, just way to handy.

 

[subspd]

I just googled it...
The Land Cruiser 250's battery is a 1.87 KW/H battery.

The 11-13 HIGHLANDER HYBRID BATTERY is the same size as the LC250 battery, and an aftermarket battery runs about $2400

2011-2013 Toyota Highlander Hybrid Battery - Best Hybrid Batteries

Buy a 2011, 2012, or 2013 Toyota Highlander Hybrid Battery from Best Hybrid Batteries. Find your perfect replacement hybrid battery today!

www.besthybridbatteries.com

New OEM battery from Toyota is $5700 retail.

2013 TOYOTA HIGHLANDER Hybrid 3.5L FULL HYBRID EV-GAS (FHEV) CVT AWD HYBRID COMPONENTS. COOLING SYSTEM.

Diagram of OEM HYBRID COMPONENTS. COOLING SYSTEM. Contains 10 parts priced between $105.27 and $5,630.85. Fits 2013 TOYOTA HIGHLANDER Hybrid 3.5L FULL HYBRID EV-GAS (FHEV) CVT AWD.

parts.lakelandtoyota.com

For the prius there are even aftermarket companies offering lithium upgrades from the ol' NIHM... I am sure only a matter of time until they do the same for the tacoma and LC.

 

[Jetboy]

I'm not sure it really makes sense to buy a new one. Factory new car batteries are almost non-existent in the aftermarket. I haven't found aftermarket 12v batteries to be any better or worse than the OEM ones. I would expect a good factory rebuilt Prius battery to perform as well as an original. If it really is bumping up from 17 to 27mpg difference, the hybrid will save $13k in fuel cost every 150k miles. So, even if the battery fails the moment after the warranty runs out and you have to buy a new $6k battery, you're still $7k ahead.

No fuel capacity confirmed yet. But assuming the same as the LX that shares very similar platform and layout - the range is 560 miles. For anyone who likes to go adventure in remote places - that's a huge improvement vs around 400 for an LX600 and just 330 for the LC200. That means you don't need aux fuel at all almost anywhere in north america. An LC200 would need a full tank plus 3 jerry cans full get close the range of the LC250. Not sure what the trail mileage and performance will be, but the hybrid should have significantly higher off-idle torque and perform a lot better in very low speed scenarios. Maybe to the point that it replaces the need for ultra low crawl ratios. That's all in the software. Hopefully Toyota got it right on that front.

Looking at the Grand Highlander - it was interesting to see it get 100hp from a very similar electric system. Would be nice to see Toyota up the output to match if they are using the same shared internal motor unit and system design. It looks pretty comparable in a lot of ways. But a LC250 putting down 5.5 second 0-60 times would be a big problem for the LX that's much slower. But the GH pretty easily outruns the Sequoia (and the LX) and presumably the lighter weight Tacoma will as well, so I'm not sure Toyota really cares. EDIT - I looked at sequoia 0-60 and it's quicker than I thought. Right around 5.5 seconds - about the same as the GH. Both are quite a bit quicker than their Lexus cousins. Doesn't seem to be an isuse. Why not the LC as well?

 

[jetstream23]

Yep carplay and android auto on both the base system and the 12" premium one. I would never buy a new car again without carplay. I add it to anything I have that is older too, just way to handy.

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In fact, I'm STILL researching the best "Tesla-like" center dash infotainment replacements for my 200-series in order to get Carplay. The heavy integration Toyota has with Climate, Vehicle info, etc. in that center infotainment has been a bit of a thorn in the side. There seems to be several similar/same aftermarket options but I'm guessing they may all be backed by the same one or two Chinese companies making them and I'm not sure some of those websites are legit. But... this a topic for another forum.

 

[subspd]

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In fact, I'm STILL researching the best "Tesla-like" center dash infotainment replacements for my 200-series in order to get Carplay. The heavy integration Toyota has with Climate, Vehicle info, etc. in that center infotainment has been a bit of a thorn in the side. There seems to be several similar/same aftermarket options but I'm guessing they may all be backed by the same one or two Chinese companies making them and I'm not sure some of those websites are legit. But... this a topic for another forum.

I did Grom in my GX470 and it worked well enough...

 

[Blackwatch1]

I would like to buy my last vehicle in the next year or two. I am 50 and will be retiring in 5 years. Winters will be way down south so after 4 years of use this vehicle will not be used year round thus avoiding the salt bath each winter.
I am considering just getting a 2024 4Runner because it should last me until I'm 75+. The 6th gen 4Runner or LC250 will save me $1000-$2000 per year in fuel. The 1958 model will be at the top my price range and I'm not sold on it's hard plastic, cloth seats and raised cargo floor. Hopefully the 6th gen 4Runner will be revealed sooner than later.
Worried about replacing a turbo or two plus a battery in those 25 years vs the NA engine being bullet proof but slower.

 

[vantage78]

Guys, sorry to ask this here. But just noticed the Release threat was closed, not sure what happened .

Do the back seats in the LC250 move back and forth like the LC200's ?

Thank you very much !

Don’t think your query was answered, but nope; the second row seats don’t move fore/aft. I think recline and tumble forward, maybe fold forward as well

 

[NTTD]

CAFE requirements are based on vehicle footprint. The Tundra is a much larger vehicle than the LC250 so it can have a lower fuel economy than a LC250, this is one of the reasons vehicles have been growing over the years.

That and the Chicken Tax is why we don't have mini trucks anymore.

The power numbers have been published. The TTv6 produces a bit more more torque and horsepower than the turbo 4 hybrid. Performance will very likely be very similar between the 2 engines...

Not off the line. The V6 won't hit max torque until higher RPM when the turbo kicks in.
Electric motors have 100% torque from zero.

EDIT: spelling

 

[malba2366]

Not off the line. The V6 won't kit max torque until higher RPM when the turbo kicks in.
Electric motors have 100% torque from zero.

The electric motor will behave the way that Toyota tunes it to work in concert with the gas motors, it will not necessarily deliver 100% of available torque instantaneously. The hybrid system is largely there to improve efficiency, and not to provide maximal 0-60 performance. They also have good reasons to ensure that the GX is quicker to 60 than the LC.

 

[malden]

Toyota’s hybrid system has not been implemented in a Toyota truck. It is new technology being implemented in a Toyota truck for the first time, using a new engine, in a new car. That is three concentric risk factors. You might want some risk in your portfolio but do you really want it in your garage? No. I
will wait at least 2-3 years, skip the intermediate, short term, stop gap hybrid tech and the Euro diesel motor to see how this all shakes out because the real prize here is full EV in our trucks with Toyota coming soon. That is an absolutely exciting prospect worth the short wait. Technology is moving fast and the informed buyer will choose an entry point with care.

 

[URJ150L]

For the prius there are even aftermarket companies offering lithium upgrades from the ol' NIHM... I am sure only a matter of time until they do the same for the tacoma and LC.

What’s the advantage with this?

 

[Tigerstripe40]

Toyota’s hybrid system has not been implemented in a Toyota truck. It is new technology being implemented for the first time, using a new engine, in a new car. That is three concentric risk factors overlapping. I will wait at least 2-3 years, skip the intermediate, short term, stop gap hybrid tech to see how this all shakes out because the real prize here is full EV in our trucks with Toyota coming soon. That is an absolutely exciting prospect worth the wait. Keep your powder dry.

Toyota had never made a V8 engine for mass production, and had never made a luxury car before, but the Lexus LS400 is legendary for reliability.

Toyota had never put a V8 into an SUV before the 1998 Land Cruiser 100.

Toyota had never made a full sized truck before, but the T100 is legendary for reliability.

Toyota had never put a V8 into a full sized truck before the Tundra, and we all know about the 'million mile' Tundras ad nauseam.

Toyota is a conservative company, and they aren't going to put iffy tech into their flagship vehicles unless they are extremely confident in the tech.

As an aside, for the way I use my truck, a 500 mile range is what I will need, and thats going to have me sweating bullets (I figured offroading is going to be a 30% reduction in battery, more if I am running heat or air conditioning, and I do trips where it's common 310 miles between fuel stops).

Then there is the issue of the industry not being able to decide on a rapid charge standard. 6 months ago, the automotive rags were saying Supercharger(NACS) is dead and every manufacturer was going to CCS. Well, now everyone is going to NACS. But, I can wait for 'the market to decide'.

I don't think EV's are going to be able to replace the Tacoma I own any time within the next 10 years, and even then, EV rapid charge will need to be as commonly available as gasoline stations for me to even remotely consider adopting one as a replacement to my Tacoma.

I feel that for now and for me, a hybrid truck is the best compromise between ICE and BEV

A BEV commuter vehicle that is used purely for commuting, or for road trips on Interstate Highways is a different story.

 

[subspd]

What’s the advantage with this?

Longer EV range and a bump in overall MPG. Supposedly they are also lighter...

 

[malden]

GM has just announced a new Cadillac Escalade EV with nearly 800 kms of autonomy!!!! So maybe we are not two years away. Nearly 500 miles of autonomy in a monster sized truck bigger than any Landcruiser.

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800 kms of autonomy, if it is true, might not be quite enough yet for US drivers but for Europeans that’s half way across the Continent on a single charge. Now imagine a gorgeous Japanese designed FJ300 EV with a couple thousand kms of autonomy? Is that prospect worth the waiting? Sure is!