4 banger LC, thoughts? (3 Viewers)

[Jetboy]

The power numbers have been published. The TTv6 produces a bit more more torque and horsepower than the turbo 4 hybrid. Performance will very likely be very similar between the 2 engines, but the Lexus is using the TT V6 because it will be more refined and the hybrid battery placement does not allow for the third row of seating.

I do not see them tuning these vehicles such that the Toyota version is quicker than the more expensive Lexus version.

Peak and average power are often pretty different things. A 400hp EV is much faster than a 400 hp ice. Even the Prius prime gets 160hp electric motor. Id expect around 200hp for the electric side on a PHEV LC. Combine with the turbo 4 and it'll pretty easily out run the V6. Unless Toyota detunes it. Which is pretty on brand for Toyota TBH. So that's probably what they'll really do.

 

[malba2366]

Peak and average power are often pretty different things. A 400hp EV is much faster than a 400 hp ice. Even the Prius prime gets 160hp electric motor. Id expect around 200hp for the electric side on a PHEV LC. Combine with the turbo 4 and it'll pretty easily out run the V6. Unless Toyota detunes it. Which is pretty on brand for Toyota TBH. So that's probably what they'll really do.

It looks like the electric motor is producing somewhere around 50 hp and 150 lb ft of torque. That is the difference in system output between the 2.4 Turbo (available in the 2024 Tacoma and LC 250 in other markets) and the 2.4 Turbo Hybrid.

The 2.4 Turbo makes 278hp / 317 lb ft
the hybrid makes 326 / 465

 

[Jetboy]

I'm assuming a PHEV will have to be able to run as an EV. That means at least 150hp EV drive. But realistically more like 200hp. I'm not sure what the current motor can do. The battery output is likely the limit on power in the current hybrid version. But they may also have something totally new. There's really no benefit to an 8 speed with 200 electric hp available. Maybe 3

 

[1Maverick]

I keep getting people asking me if I’m trading my 200 for the new Land Cruiser as if its the 300 series.

 

[M1911]

I am hoping the 4Runner gets a 2 door option with a removable top, to distinguish itself from the rest of the line

Neither will happen.

 

[Knowbuddy]

I keep getting people asking me if I’m trading my 200 for the new Land Cruiser as if its the 300 series.

The nerve of those people. How dare they.

 

[1Maverick]

The nerve of those people. How dare they.

Lol, fair enough but I think that’s what Toyota is hoping for. Most buyers will see Land Cruiser and believe its latest model that is the next 200 series. Now granted, much of the World who sees other LC versions will most likely know the difference. But in the U.S they haven’t and this could definitely impact 200 series values until they understand what they are buying are not the same thing.

 

[Knowbuddy]

Lol, fair enough but I think that’s what Toyota is hoping for. Most buyers will see Land Cruiser and believe its latest model that is the next 200 series. Now granted, much of the World who sees other LC versions will most likely know the difference. But in the U.S they haven’t and this could definitely impact 200 series values until they understand what they are buying are not the same thing.

I think Toyota is just hoping to sell vehicles. Like any other car manufacture. They aren’t trying to trick anyone. What’s wrong with it lowering values of 200s? Whole point of buying used vs new is to get it cheaper. I agree it’s not a 200 and Toyota has never stated that it was. It’s a different outlook on what the Land Cruiser has been in the USA.

The past few years of land cruiser values is a joke. The beauty of the 250 is that it puts more land cruisers on the road. If it lowers the used price 200s, 100s and others to me that’s a win . Let’s give the younger generation a chance to buy these vehicles and enjoy them like we all have. I wanna see kids driving around and fixing 60s, 40s and 80s. I wanna see families enjoying and growing in to 100s and 200s. I want to see new and old land cruisers with a grin on their face driving and waving to each other from a new 250 to an old fj55. A country with more land cruisers> than a country with less land cruisers.

 

[Jetboy]

I'd guess it'll drop the 200 value. It's too early to know yet how good it is. But there's a good chance it'll be better in a lot of ways including off-road and highway use.

But it's really the GX Overtrail that'll set a price cap on the lc200 for me. Other than wanting the old 5.7 (I have one and would rather have the ttv6)- hard to see much reason to choose the 200. For me, GX Overtrail market price minus $10k is probably about where I expect to see LC200 low mile clean units before I'd be looking. (That's assuming the GX is available widely.)

 

[MeWantLC]

Guys, sorry to ask this here. But just noticed the Release threat was closed, not sure what happened .

Do the back seats in the LC250 move back and forth like the LC200's ?

Thank you very much !

 

[MotoDave]

Third rows in these mid sized solid rear axle BOF vehicles are all pretty worthless, certainly including the 3rd row in my LC200. Even the third row in the new Sequoia is terrible. The buyer who truly needs a third row will buy the grand Highlander or similar.

I bet more GX460 buyers use the 3rd row than take them off road

 

[Blackwatch1]

I wonder how long the hybrid battery and turbo will last.

 

[M1911]

I wonder how long the hybrid battery and turbo will last.

There are many, many Toyota Prii that have hundreds of thousands of miles. The hybrid battery will last longer than you own the truck.

 

[MeWantLC]

There are many, many Toyota Prii that have hundreds of thousands of miles. The hybrid battery will last longer than you own the truck.

Do we know... 100k ? 200k? 300k? Etc ?

Thank you !!

 

[Patassa]

I keep getting people asking me if I’m trading my 200 for the new Land Cruiser as if its the 300 series.

Imagine life for a 100 series driver.... "Guess you can finally get a 200 now that prices will be dropping...." "You gonna finally upgrade and get that new Landcruiser"

Then watching their eyes glaze over when I get into Prado vs Landcruiser or why 200 prices won't be dropping....

 

[Jetboy]

Guys, sorry to ask this here. But just noticed the Release threat was closed, not sure what happened .

Do the back seats in the LC250 move back and forth like the LC200's ?

Thank you very much !

It was a discussion/debate on the wisdom and efficacy of epa emissions laws and the influence on the LC250 powertrain choices. Deemed too political for tech forum.

 

[M1911]

Do we know... 100k ? 200k? 300k? Etc ?

Thank you !!

You know how to use Google. Do a little research.

 

[Jetboy]

Do we know... 100k ? 200k? 300k? Etc ?

Thank you !!

There's two primary considerations: age and charge cycles.

The prii (?) used in taxi fleets are probably the best data I know of for the charge cycle based lifespan. I remember reading that the batteries were at end of life around 300k miles in daily use for taxi fleets. A battery replacement was around $2k is my memory. That doesn't necessarily mean the battery in the LC 250 will have the same life because we don't have a ton of info on whether it's the same battery cells, how intensely they are used, etc. But I think it's a good baseline to use.

The lifespan in terms of time - that I really don't know. But a lot of 20+ year old Prius are still running around. Probably no relationship but my broth has a 2012 Model S that still has excellent battery performance after 11 years and a ton of miles. The std toyota warranty is 10 years and 150k miles. So, at a minimum if it's shorter than that you get a free one. I don't think anyone knows for sure because they tend to end up in the junkyard before the battery goes bad.

 

[Jetboy]

Imagine life for a 100 series driver.... "Guess you can finally get a 200 now that prices will be dropping...." "You gonna finally upgrade and get that new Landcruiser"

Then watching their eyes glaze over when I get into Prado vs Landcruiser or why 200 prices won't be dropping....

FWIW - I think prices are already dropping. There's a lot of low mile Heritage LC200's hitting the markets. Some are at $70k right now. That's a lot less than I was seeing a year ago. Not sure if it's due to LC250 or just changing market trends. But I think we'll see Heritage LC200's hit $50k in the next year or so when they start being traded in on LC250/GX/Sequoias as production gets back to normal.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inven...d299&zip=99516#listing=360053748/NONE/DEFAULT

 

[malden]

The use of Hybrid/ev technology in (Toyota) trucks has never been done before and is therefore in its experimental stage. Now the Toyota troops here will tell you that this new technology was actually invented by Dom Hybridnon, a Benedictine monk, in 1685, that it was used to successfully power French frigates in the Seven Years war etc etc, in other words, they’ll tell you anything you want to hear. But suffice it to say that buying a Turbo Hybrid today, when serious EV technology is probably only a few years away, is like buying an iphone 3 with the iphone 15 about to come out. So if you have a good V6 or V8 it won’t cost you or the planet much in gas mileage or pollution to wait a little bit longer, let EV tech flower and buy at the technologically propitious moment, ie in about 3-5 years. In any case, common sense should inform you that buying a new engine in a first year car is a very long walk off a very short plank, so proceed at your own peril.