3b head troubles

[Docfranco]

Ok, I found a very cracked head and began looking to replace it. My head number was 11101-58010 everything I've read tells me the part number is obsolete and superseded by 11101-58014,
So I found a oem head from cruiserparts and they send me a 11101-56034...
All is good until the machine shop says the valves are to big and will not fit the new head...
I will be calling in AM to try and get it taken care of...
Any ideas ? I can't seem to find much out from USA Toyota....
Mercedes parts are so much simpler to deal with, if you have a vin, they will get parts anywhere....

It seems Toyota could care less about a vin if was not sold here...

 

[lostmarbles]

Ok, I found a very cracked head and began looking to replace it. My head number was 11101-58010 everything I've read tells me the part number is obsolete and superseded by 11101-58014,
So I found a oem head from cruiserparts and they send me a 11101-56034...
All is good until the machine shop says the valves are to big and will not fit the new head...
I will be calling in AM to try and get it taken care of...
Any ideas ? I can't seem to find much out from USA Toyota....
Mercedes parts are so much simpler to deal with, if you have a vin, they will get parts anywhere....

It seems Toyota could care less about a vin if was not sold here...

Looking at the Toyota EPC, I see the following for a 1984 BJ60

Up until Jan 84 11101-56095 SUBS 11101-56096
After that: 11101-58012 SUBS 11101-58013 SUBS 11101-58014

My research on the Toyota EPC also suggests 11101-56034 is for a April 1984 to Aug 1988 B diesel.

But I admit that searching on the Internet (the results of which I trust far less) show 11101-56034 suitable for B, 2B, 3B and/or 13B depending on where you look.

 

[Pescan]

I had the same problem. The smaller valves were not available here so, I took the head and valves to the machine shop and they fixed it right up. Purrs like a kitten now.

 

[lostmarbles]

I had the same problem. The smaller valves were not available here so, I took the head and valves to the machine shop and they fixed it right up. Purrs like a kitten now.

Can you tell us more?

Perhaps this isn't such a big deal because I know others have used 3B heads on B engines.

But there are definitely traps..

Which head gasket was used?

And photos showing the head gasket sitting on the upside-down head and then sitting on the block ..... to show/reveal how the coolant passageways line up would have been extremely interesting.

And that head would NOT have been designed for use on a block that has cylinder liners fitted (as a BJ42 3B block would have for instance). There the liner protrusions would have to have been machined off, or else an old-style 3B gasket would have to be used where the liner-protrusions poke up through the gasket.

But then I don't suppose Doc's engine or your engine have cylinder liners? (I'm guessing they're both too recent for that.)

(The bore of a B engine is 95mm whereas the bore of a 3B is 102mm.)

 

[Docfranco]

mine is an early 3B feb of 84, i have the oem toyota metal stamped head gasket.
pescan, did you also get your head from cruiser parts?
i am not willing to go with smaller valves..decreasing flow, these engines need ALL the help they can get. smaller valves will not help.

 

[cruiserparts]

I stumbled across this post and thought I should make a notation about this. I am sorry for the lack of clarification that was listed before on our web site. As you now know there are 2 separate lineages that Toyota used in cylinder head production for 2B and 3B engines. Both are interchangeable when using a complete head. i.e. a head from a 1981 2B will fit a 3b in say 1987 but only when transferred complete. Or the other way using a 1987 complete head will fit a 1981 2B. Due to the propensity for these to crack. Any owner of a 2B or 3B engine should check and see what is currently installed for a head on there block before ordering a replacement cylinder head. You never know what the previous owner may have installed. Why did Toyota use a 2B and a 3B engine line from 1981-1988 and with different valve sizes? I have no Idea. I will leave that for others to speculate on.

3B with Large Style Valves, expensive, imported from Japan:
http://shop.cruiserparts.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=44_97&products_id=33640

2B & 3B with Smaller Style Valves:
http://shop.cruiserparts.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=44_97&products_id=1562

Please call the shop tomorrow at 888-941-3450 and ask for Josh, he will get this sorted out for you.

Again sorry to all for any confusion on the original listings from our site!

 

[gulabh]

Can you tell us more?

Perhaps this isn't such a big deal because I know others have used 3B heads on B engines.

But there are definitely traps..

Which head gasket was used?

And photos showing the head gasket sitting on the upside-down head and then sitting on the block ..... to show/reveal how the coolant passageways line up would have been extremely interesting.

And that head would NOT have been designed for use on a block that has cylinder liners fitted (as a BJ42 3B block would have for instance). There the liner protrusions would have to have been machined off, or else an old-style 3B gasket would have to be used where the liner-protrusions poke up through the gasket.

But then I don't suppose Doc's engine or your engine have cylinder liners? (I'm guessing they're both too recent for that.)

(The bore of a B engine is 95mm whereas the bore of a 3B is 102mm.)

Can you help me identify where my BJ75 was produce with exact date please??you seem knowledgeable about these issues as I have been following threads since i AM A NEW member!

BJ75 0005941 FRAME

BJ75 RP/KR3 MODEL

ENGINE 0915823

DAVID

 

[OGBeno]

Looks like July of 1988 (estimate).

 

[lostmarbles]

Can you help me identify where my BJ75 was produce with exact date please??you seem knowledgeable about these issues as I have been following threads since i AM A NEW member!

BJ75 0005941 FRAME

BJ75 RP/KR3 MODEL

ENGINE 0915823

DAVID

Looks like July of 1988 (estimate).

Sorry..

I've never worked out how to obtain a build date from this information using my old version of the EPC.

I've spent many hours trying in the past, so I'm leaning towards the belief now that it's impossible for me.

I can only narrow it down to between Nov 84 and January 90 .

I'm sure Beno here has access to much better information than me so I think his estimate is likely to be a very good one..

 

[gulabh]

I know it was first registered in Zimbabwe in 1988 so this is correct BUT I also know someone said the engine number made it 1984????
Would be nice to have more accurate date as spares proving tricky to source !!!I want to open it up and rebuild as it was said to be losing oil whenparked up some 7 years ago!!It does have sleeves!! and a five speed box!

 

[OGBeno]

If it does have sleeves, it is the earlier 3B engine.

 

[gulabh]

what is meant by a'later 3b engine'????where can I find more information on what type of pistons i will need as I am told there are two types!
gulabh

 

[OGBeno]

Yes there are 2 types of 3B engines.

An earlier one with sleeves and the later without. You will need to get pistons for the later engine with sleeves.

 

[gulabh]

Yes there are 2 types of 3B engines.

An earlier one without sleeves and then a later one with sleeves. You will need to get pistons for the later engine with sleeves.

where do i get pistons that are the next size from standard?who is best to talk to or order from??
i have been told today that my 3b is very likely to be produced for the African market!!This confuses me even more as I still dont know where it was produced??
I will go ahead and strip the engine anyway ten see what transpires!!!

 

[OGBeno]

I cannot assist you with that as I do not know your market.

You might want to try your Toyota dealership if you are in Africa.

 

[lostmarbles]

If it does have sleeves, it is a later 3B engine.

Yes there are 2 types of 3B engines.

An earlier one without sleeves and then a later one with sleeves. You will need to get pistons for the later engine with sleeves.

You've mistakenly swapped this around Beno. (Easily done.)

It is the EARLY B-series and H-series engines that have the sleeves and the LATER engines that are without them.

From your engine serial number (0915823) Gulabh, your engine is definitely not 1984 and looks to me like being at least July 1988. (Beno's estimate.)

I'm saying this based on the few 3B engine numbers that are provided in this thread here:
https://forum.ih8mud.com/diesel-tec...r-engine-serial-number-vin-number-thread.html

The 2H changed from sleeved to sleeveless in Nov 1984 I believe.

But I think the 3B changed much later, and Aug 1988 rings a bell.

So I think your engine could be either sleeved or sleeveless.

If it is sleeved, you can resleeve and run standard pistons...

So the thing now is to find out this detail. (Sleeved or sleeveless)

Cheers - Tom

PS. I've never heard of engines being produced only for specific markets before. (Although it is possible.) All the evidence I've seen indicates that engine changes were uniform across all markets.

 

[OGBeno]

Damn....I did swap them around. I will edit for correct info.

Thanks for correcting me Tom.

Sorry--it's been a long day.

 

[dkyuss]

Im looking at replacing my head but part number seems non existent.
1981 BJ60 (CDN)

Is this the same as 11101-58010, superseded by 11101-58014?