2WD vs. 4WD ?

[BC_FJC]

There not even offering a 2wd in Canada

 

[kkt]

girls girls stop you cat fighting.

 

[FJCruiserOwnersGroup]

I'm not sure where you're going with that, but okay.
You could dismiss it as semantics if it was a difference in language, but it's not; it's the difference between reality and imagination.

Same place you were going in the post I originally quoted, no where.

Well, that's patently untrue.

That, pretty much, finishes the argument. Your projection of how someone else should or should not, will or will not, can or cannot use their truck - not your truck - is irrelevant. It's now simply a matter of cost: do you pay for something you will never use. The correct answer is 'no.'

You are wrong in your assumptions, gonetocarolina didn't ask which one cost less, I think it is pretty obvious which is cheaper without you pointing it out.

I made no assumption, therefore, it's impossible for me to be incorrect.

On the other hand, you made a number of completely uneducated leaps in illogic, and now it appears that you're very angry about it.

No. Absolutely not. Having to explain something to someone doesn't at all make me think that person is an idiot. It has always been my contention that a person's actions will define their intelligence. Especially on the internet. It was Mark Twain (another freemason) who said "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."

If you feel that way maybe you should keep your mouth shut.

Because I'm not the one here who is on the 'remove all doubt' part of the equation.

I will reiterate my contention that a person's actions define their intelligence. I will then point out that - while I have presented, and continue to present, valid arguments as to why someone should consider purchasing a 2WD version of the FJC - you've let your ego and your anger get the better of you. Once that happened - as it obviously did in your post here - you lost whatever argument you think you were making.

That you can't see why Toyota is manufacturing 2WD version of the FJC and who they are marketing to, and who someone could choose one of these so equipped vehicle shows that you might want to consider a job with Chrysler or GM so that you can be among like-minded folks.

You may be absolutely 100% correct in saying that, and I would certainly not disagree with that at all. Of course, that begs a couple of questions:

1. Where does "gonetocarolina' live? From the minimal number of posts, it appears that this member was shopping in the Atlanta, GA.

I don't know where gonetocarolina lives and don't particularly care, this may be a subject which interests more than one person in more than one locale, which is why I indicated in every post that my experience relates to the area where I live.

Actually, what you've indicated in every post is that you don't bother to do the research. That you don't know what you're talking about. That you're unwilling to listen to the question before you give out the wrong answer. And that, lil' firetruck41, is why your argument has failed. And why you are so obviously frustrated with me; I know what I'm talking about, I'm willing to listen to others, I'm willing to follow leads and track sources until I have finished doing the research necessary to present an intelligent and cohesive argument that will stand on it's own merits.

The reason I don't post with your regressing adolescence is because I read and understood the question before I hit the 'submit reply' key.

2. How close to the Pacific Northwest, exactly, is Georgia? My geography is a little rusty, but I'm willing to bet that Georgia is about as far from the Pacific Northwest in both location and climate as you can get in the continental United States. I'm just sayin'...

I don't need a geography lesson to tell you the PNW is just a little farther from Georgia than where you are, there in Claremont, CA.

Just because something is true in one area of the country does not automatically mean it is not true in another area. I'm just sayin'...

Again, I'm not sure what argument you're attempting to make, but your reply reinforces what I've said earlier. Not the 'remove all doubt' part - which it also further expands - but the part where I mentioned that you didn't know the question before you shouted out your (incorrect) answer. I don't mean to call into question your cognitive abilities, but I don't live in Claremont, CA. My location is clearly posted under my member name.

Why pay for potential that will never get used?

That's the question he asked, and I've already given an answer to it, twice.

No, actually, that's not the question that was originally asked. You misunderstood the question originally posed. What you've done is answer a rhetorical question. Posed by me. Not by the original poster. And your answer is incorrect and shows a dearth of financial acumen.

You're casting your aspirations on someone else's rig, and - again - it's not semantics, it's reality vs (your) imagination.

I'm guessing he asked a question because he wanted some opinions, if you think differently then you would have kept your opinions to yourself.

As you've already misunderstood the original question, answered a question that didn't need answering - twice, according to you - and have attempted to turn this reasonable exchange of ideas into a s***storm because you want to throw a tantrum ... I'm of the opinion that your 'guess' would be of even less relevance than the rest of your little tirade. And, in this case, I'm completely correct. And here's why: the original poster posed a question: he didn't ask for the value of 4x4s in the Pacific Northwest, and he certainly didn't ask for you to regress to your childhood as you continue to post less and less relevantly to the thread.

The future isn't written by you or I, and - just as I'm certain the sun will come up tomorrow- I'm equally certain that, as the car salesmen all say, 'there's an ass for every seat.'

Great now we are using quotes from car salesman! Can't remember the last time I belived a conversation I had with one of them.

You do not know what options will sell someone else's car in some other section of the country that is nowhere near where you live.

But you do? And you are the only one capable of doing so . Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Yes, actually, I do as I live in the same type of climate as the original poster. And, comparatively, between the two of us I'm obviously the one who did the research, cares about where the person lives and am willing to present an unbiased opinion.

It's less a question of calling someone a pot or a kettle or the color of said device. It's a question, lil' firetruck41, of not being the chamberpot...which you obviously aspire to.

In the end, however, we both know that this is totally academic. Or at least I do; I did the research. In case you didn't know, gonetocarolina already bought.

Yup, thank goodness he didn't listen to you.

He'd made up his mind before I made a post on this thread. I'd already offered him up instructions on the tow hitch on another thread.

Had you read and understood the forum you're posting on you would have known that already.

Hey why don't you go hang out on THIS forum instead. You can talk to yourself all day if you want, it's pretty apparent you like to hear yourself talk (figuratively, this is the internet you know).

That's actually funny, if you're privy to the conversation I had with the moderator here a few days ago. Unfortunately, you're not, so your humor was accidental. I wish I could say the same about your ignorance.

 

[FJCruiserOwnersGroup]

The reality is that

1 -- The FJC was built to give the buyer a retro look at an FJ40.

2 -- Toyota built it to be a capable off road vehicle.

3 -- If Toyota thinks that only 10% of its buyers will want 2wd, then only 10% of the resale buyers will want 2wd. That means, when it's time to sell, 90% of the people looking at the FJC will expect 4wd.

4 -- The cost difference is so minimal ($2000) -- why would you NOT buy 4wd? It's not like a Suburban, where there is a 4000 charge for 4wd, and a substantial increase in insurance premiums. There is no significant difference on the FJC premium between 2wd and 4wd.

Since $2K is minimal to you, could you please send it to me? You won't miss it. It's only $2,000 that you wouldn't have used anyway.

 

[woody]

1> this forum is specifically geared to the GSJ15 model

2> I understand why you've been banned from other FJC forums....take this to chat, where it belongs.

 

[Cruiserdrew]

OMG, the Shotts/Thai of the 2wd FJC world has arrived.

.......and as pointless to argue with.

 

[saskdiesel]

Maybe thats why I'm out of touch with this as they don't sell the 2wd version in Canada.

But I feel a car represents far better value than a 2wd FJC.

Hell I would rather buy a Civic for commuting than a 2wd FJC. That Civic is not pretending to be anything it isn't.

 

[firetruck41]

Your tirade is too much for me, I succumb to your prolific use of words, which serve to cloud your ignorance from those who do not know better.

FYI- You know your location was not clearly visible under your user name when I replied to your earlier post, you added it later. I hate liars.

 

[woooody]

Since $2K is minimal to you, could you please send it to me? You won't miss it. It's only $2,000 that you wouldn't have used anyway.

That's the best you've got? Ignoring the idea that resale WILL be limited?

In the grand scheme of a $30K+ vehicle, $2k is nominal.

 

[mauifj]

I purchased a 2wd one a few days ago. I weighed the option of both 2wd and 4wd. I weight gas mileage which the 2wd got a little better. gas costs $3.27 here for regular and they expect it to go up .14 cents in a few days. I weighted use of 4wd for me, I never ever use it and Maui pretty much is 4wd outlawed anyway. I considered the fact that the car has large tires with - A LOCKING REAR DIFF/POSI- and that would suffice me if I did some minor sand offroading as some beaches here got some small trails to get to with sand. Cars can make it on this hard sand trails but we got stuck once in our 2wd mountaineer becouse someone dug a hole in the sand and made is soft in a area. I know this car locked with the big tires will make it thru these trails. I traded in a 04 maxima and yes its probably better in most transportation ways then the FJ but I was more for the looks and cool factor we got this car. I also own a MV Agusta motorcycle but that doesnt meen I ride like it like it was meant to be ridden. Its all about looks and I am sorry if that offends others that believe that you should only buy something for its use only. I like cool stuff and this FJ is pretty cool.

aloha
garett
btw I got a revtek lift on the way for this 2wd LOL.

 

[woooody]

Its all about looks and I am sorry if that offends others that believe that you should only buy something for its use only. I like cool stuff and this FJ is pretty cool.

aloha
garett
btw I got a revtek lift on the way for this 2wd LOL.

Garett -- No one is offended. In your situation, it makes perfect sense. And in your market, there may be more people that think that way.

The point was that if one was unsure on 4wd vs 2wd, that there are compelling reasons to opt for 4wd. If one wants to opt out of 4wd, great. But this is a 4wd board, and the forum is for 4wd FJ's. We're going to be biased, and for good reason.