2024 Sequoia to LC 250 (1 Viewer)

[Jetboy]

Completely agree with this. I really like Toyota's, but these iterations feel half-assed. They don't need to be revolutionaries in the market, on the whole Toyota is a very conservative company. BUT, if they had pushed the market a bit and made a PHEV or even a generator hybrid (Ramcharger or BYD Shark style) I feel like they would have won the market. The Lexus LFA was a huge money loss, but they learned so much from that car. Plus, it's still considered one of the best vehicles of all time.

I'm also holding off making any decisions until I learn more about the Scout EV during the unveiling taking place the end of October.

As a side note, I'm dumbfounded on why Toyota didn't shrink the 4Runner down and flair the fenders to be a Jeep/Bronco competitor. My wife and I have said it several times, the FJ Cruiser was ahead of its time.

I think Toyota actually did half-ass it. This was the 2015 update they just waited 10 years to release. Even when they have a runaway success like the Rav4 Prime, they refuse to accept the winning formula and pursue it.

Agreed completely on the 4Runner. Either a new Land Cruiser USA should be the bronco competitor or the 4Runner. No sense in having 2 of the same thing (4 if we count the GX and LX that are basically the same product too) and nothing that plays in the bronco space. It's 500,000 vehicle market and Toyota won't consider entering. Crazy. Same with the small offroad market. No one is doing a Jimny size offroader in the USA despite side by sides selling over 1M units a year and would be easy picking for an auto mfg to come in to that market like a wrecking ball with a compact $25k 4x4 with locking diffs and low range.

 

[krice118]

I agree- I like old cars but I would line up for a plug in hybrid runner or 250.

 

[NinjahGoose]

Part of me is wondering if Toyota pulled a 2016 Apple/intel. Intel promised these powerful yet energy efficient chips so Apple built a thin MacBook Pro chassis. Come to find out intel was full of s*** and Apple was stuck thermal throttling the chips to fit the chassis.

It’s well known Toyota has pushed their Solid State Batteries back several times. Last year they said they had one with enough energy for 700 miles, where is it? I wonder if they had plans for a PHEV, or even EV, but their battery tech couldn’t deliver.

 

[Jetboy]

The battery issue would make sense. They teased an EV Tacoma and it's been radio silence since then. It's unusual. Historically Toyota doesn't press release something not already at the 95% confidence level. I was shocked that the Tundra didn't come out in 2022 with a PHEV option or full EV and then the Tacoma as well. It kinda looks at this point like there isn't something coming.

The F150 EV didn't do very well, but that's because it was $70k, but the truck was ideal for the fleet buyers and contractors who buy at $40k not the luxury truck market. An F150 lightning should be the go to truck for local contractors. At current $40k pricing, it's an incredible cost savings over an ICE F150 for that task. We have a few at work. For fleet trucks that rarely leave our property - they're great. They need no maintenance, cost almost nothing to operate, and have so far been fault free. The fleet F150's seem to go through transmissions every 5 years and have constant quality issues.

 

[NinjahGoose]

The battery issue would make sense. They teased an EV Tacoma and it's been radio silence since then. It's unusual. Historically Toyota doesn't press release something not already at the 95% confidence level. I was shocked that the Tundra didn't come out in 2022 with a PHEV option or full EV and then the Tacoma as well. It kinda looks at this point like there isn't something coming.

The F150 EV didn't do very well, but that's because it was $70k, but the truck was ideal for the fleet buyers and contractors who buy at $40k not the luxury truck market. An F150 lightning should be the go to truck for local contractors. At current $40k pricing, it's an incredible cost savings over an ICE F150 for that task. We have a few at work. For fleet trucks that rarely leave our property - they're great. They need no maintenance, cost almost nothing to operate, and have so far been fault free. The fleet F150's seem to go through transmissions every 5 years and have constant quality issues.

I was thinking along the same lines regarding the Tacoma EV. Something has to be going on with their battery tech. A simple 2.xKWh SS Li Battery would be the size of a can of beer (well there abouts) for these hybrids.

The Lightning didn't do well at launch price because it's too expensive, has a pretty sub-par charging curve, and is just too large for the average tech bro EV adopter. I've heard the Lightning is an incredible fleet truck, it makes a lot of sense! You use it for the day, plug it in at night, and come back to a charged truck that's ready to go. The 7KW on board power delivery is a real game changer for trades! I've heard you can even mig/stick weld from them for short bursts.

I've driven the quad motor R1T, up to about 80mph I've never experienced power like that.

 

[MaxJr]

I think the argument that hybrids are complicated and avoid it is really really dumb. Hybrids are nothing new and Toyota builds great ones. For towing that instant torque help of the battery would be very helpful.

Split the difference and buy an LX570

You seem to believe that the new hybrid platform make a large Prius

 

[mkennedy009]

I think Toyota is waiting for their North Carolina Battery plant to come online next year. This current system is NiMH based system. Safe, proven, abundant and cheap. The new plant will make TMC qualify for the new Tax relief program designed to get consumers into BE cars/trucks. I would speculate the mid-model refresh will have the new batteries. (Wish for solid state) I have no idea what they are going to build at this plant, prolly Li-Ion but more likely LiFeP0 since this is the plan for 2026 battery road map from 2023:

 

[turbo8]

Just wanted to point out that the 23+ Sequoia has a 22.5 gallon gas tank.

Also, I sorta switched from a 200 series to a 24 TRD Pro Sequoia for a daily driver. The Sequoia is too big for me and the internal storage volume sucks. I do like the amount of power that the Sequoia has.

The Sequoia is going to be traded in for a GX550.

 

[NinjahGoose]

Just wanted to point out that the 23+ Sequoia has a 22.5 gallon gas tank.
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Also, I sorta switched from a 200 series to a 24 TRD Pro Sequoia for a daily driver. The Sequoia is too big for me and the internal storage volume sucks. I do like the amount of power that the Sequoia has.

The Sequoia is going to be traded in for a GX550.

Weird! I ran mine down to 0 miles remaining and filled up only 18 gal! So either I’m going insane, which is feasible, or they’re holding 4.5 gal in reserve.

Good to know I’m not the only one thinking about making the change to the 250 platform!

 

[turbo8]

Weird! I ran mine down to 0 miles remaining and filled up only 18 gal! So either I’m going insane, which is feasible, or they’re holding 4.5 gal in reserve.

Good to know I’m not the only one thinking about making the change to the 250 platform!

Yeah, the miles to empty is pretty deceiving. Same with the 200 series and all other toyota's that I have owned.
My wife has a 250, I constantly steal that to drive

 

[Jetboy]

FWIW - The Tundra hybrid factory manual says that it may need up to 5.6 gallons in the tank to start the truck. That's a huge amount of reserve capacity needed just to start the truck. But it is consistent with the fuel gauge showing zero with 4.5 gallons left in the tank. I don't understand why it would need to keep that much fuel in reserve.

My Gen2 Tundra is similar though. It has the 38 gallon tank. The dash light starts flashing empty with over 8 gallons left. It reads zero miles to empty with around 6 gallons remaining. It's a little frustrating to me because my most common trip I make about 10 times a year is 300 miles round trip towing and includes a gap of 99.7 miles between the two fuel stations. With all 38 gallons I can do the full out and back at 8.5mpg towing in theory, but not in reality. On my way home it's hard to tell if I have enough range to cross that gap. At 8.5mpg I need about 12 gallons. Roughly 1/3 tank. I usually figure half tank gets me there, but half way into the 100 miles the light comes on and chime tells me I'm low on fuel. Even though i know I'll make it because I do it 10 times a year - I'm always a little stressed that last 50ish miles to the gas station. And then I end up only being able to put 32 gallons in anyway!

With only 22 gallons, it would be really nice for Toyota to give a precise fuel remaining display so you could know without having to guess and deal with the stress of not knowing if you'll make it or not. Those 150+ mile between fuel station spots would be pretty dicey and it would really help to be able to monitor as you go to see if you'll make it or not.

 

[stridertexas]

Can’t you just then truly take the remaining fuel mileage down to 0-10miles remaining?

In my other cars I always took it down to 25-50…

 

[Jetboy]

Can’t you just then truly take the remaining fuel mileage down to 0-10miles remaining?

In my other cars I always took it down to 25-50…

In my case - not sure if this is universal - but it reaches 0 remaining miles when there's still about 6 gallons left in the tank. Without a trailer that means I'd still have about 100 miles of range remaining before the engine would actually run out and stop.

My best guess on it is that it's set to reach zero when there's still enough fuel left that in any normal orientation of the fuel tank it would still have fuel at the pump pickup. So on a 10 degree tilt away from the fuel pickup it still has fuel or something like that vs having it read down to zero on flat level ground. Not sure, but that's something that would make sense to me of why it is this way. I had a 90's GMC that would literally run out of fuel just a few miles after reaching zero on the miles remaining screen - I also had a 70's GM that would run out when it reached about a 1/4 tank.

 

[stridertexas]

In my case - not sure if this is universal - but it reaches 0 remaining miles when there's still about 6 gallons left in the tank. Without a trailer that means I'd still have about 100 miles of range remaining before the engine would actually run out and stop.

My best guess on it is that it's set to reach zero when there's still enough fuel left that in any normal orientation of the fuel tank it would still have fuel at the pump pickup. So on a 10 degree tilt away from the fuel pickup it still has fuel or something like that vs having it read down to zero on flat level ground. Not sure, but that's something that would make sense to me of why it is this way. I had a 90's GMC that would literally run out of fuel just a few miles after reaching zero on the miles remaining screen - I also had a 70's GM that would run out when it reached about a 1/4 tank.

I had a Tahoe that was the same way, you had to read the fuel gauge very literally.

So maybe now you just know that when it hits 0-5miles remaining it’s fill up time.

And if you have a 100 mile range between available stations then you gotta fill up once you hit 50 miles remaining.

 

[Jetboy]

I had a Tahoe that was the same way, you had to read the fuel gauge very literally.

So maybe now you just know that when it hits 0-5miles remaining it’s fill up time.

And if you have a 100 mile range between available stations then you gotta fill up once you hit 50 miles remaining.

Yeah. I mentally adjust for it. I always gets a little bit of anxiety going anyway. It says 38 gallons. What if it runs out at 34? Probably overthinking it. I should never really need to sweat it with a 38 gallon tank. With a 20 gallon tank - it gets a bit more dicey. I had that problem in my 5th gen in a few spots where I could barely make it between gas stations.

Supposedly the new Tundra has enough better towing mpg that 32 gallons will tow further than 38 gallons in the old one. New Sequoia or LC250 at 24mpg goes a lot further on 22 gallons than the old one at 17mpg would go on 26 gallons. I'd bet side by side the new LC250 will tow further than the older LC models.

 

[stridertexas]

I ran down to 15 miles remaining and when I filled back up it took 15.7gallons.

So about 2 gallons left @ 20mpg + 15 miles = a remaining range of about 55 miles.