2006 LC 100 Series: To VAIS or not to VAIS

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After extensive searching, the only way I have found to integrate an iPod and get full integration through the factory radio/navigation sound system and screen is the VAIS. Does anyonr have experience with either the SoundLinQ2 SL2i-UP - Apple® iPod™ interface adapter or theMultiMediaLinQ - High-End Digital Audio Interface Adapter (VML)?

On their web site the VML states :
High-End Audio with Extremely Low level of Total Harmonic Distortion
True Plug & Play solution
Supports up to 999 folders (playlists)****
Supports up to 999 files (per folder/playlists)

The SoundLinQ2 SL2i-UP only states:
True Plug & Play solution

When I called and talked to the guy at VAIS he kept correcting me and saying the VML has only 99 folders and files/folder not 999. I'm confused! Like they say "buyer be ware".


I'd like to hear first hand expereices about these devices before spending the money, but more importantly spending the time trying to do the installation and make it have a"factory/custom" finish look.

http://www.vaistech.com/dev/home.php
 
As topmounter said do a search to get more info.

I have an 05 with VAIS ipod integration (SL2iUP) and the VAIS xm integration. The 99 and 999 limit is that you can only have 99 playlists and up to 999 songs per playlist.

As I've said to others that ask, personally I am disappointed with the interface and its limitations (compared with other manufacturer's of the same time period and compared with other dirt cheap aftermarket headunits) but at the end of the day I'd rather have it than not have it. I use the steering wheel controls and don't want to be distracted by navigation on the ipod itself so I am glad that I have it, just amazed at what a poor excuse for ipod integration it is. Dice is another popular solution - believe it's basically the same interface/capability just a different manufacturer and while I haven't seen others there may be. As far as I understand, though, they all have the same limitations.

Unfortunately since we have climate controls bundled into the MFD (Multi Function Display), there are no aftermarket options (to my knowledge).

Good news is that you keep the factory look - none of the wires are visible unless you choose to have them visible (my Ipod is in the glovebox). I had mine installed at the dealership as part of the bundle when I bought it. I did have an issue related to the install where wires were spliced (unnecessarily according to the tech that diagnosed it) and it caused a short which screwed up the MFD until that was fixed (i.e. no functions at all including no AC). My point is if you're doing this yourself make sure you know what you're doing and same goes for if you have someone else do it.

Enjoy!
 
I went a slightly different route on my 03 lx. I installed a USA spec interface behind the dash and a pro-clip iPhone holder on the dash. The setup charges the phone with the case on and plays through the factory stereo perfectly. You can use the steering wheel controls for track selection.

I use it everyday. You can even rotate phone and watch Netflix while the audio comes through the stereo (while stopped).
 
Love my VAIS SL2i-UP and never ran into any limitations.

If one listens to a small number of playlists and doesn't do much if any searching for songs or playlists and doesn't care much about the navigation and display (or hasn't used anything better) then I can see how there's lots more to love than hate. Since I hit most of the limitations below every time I listen, it erks me a bit. We hold the vehicle in high regard and have the expectation that lots of thought went into every feature and it's a let down when some of the features don't hold up to that reputation of good quality and good design. Luckily I didn't buy the vehicle for it's stereo system ;-)

The limitations offhand that I can think of:
- more of a lack of features than limitations, but the other units I've used allow you to do a fast skip ahead instead of moving forward one song or playlist at a time. As an example, if you have 99 playlists and you're currently at number 49 but want to get to 99 you need to push the friggin button 50 times. If you were at 1 and wanted to get to 99 iirc you can at least go backwards :-).

- same limit/lack of features for songs except worse since if you have a few hundred (or say 999) songs in a playlist and you want to get to 400 you could sit there for a while skipping forward or backwards and it puts unnecessary stress on the buttons to say the least. Other systems would allow you to either fast skip (hold down the button and it skips faster like 10 at a time instead of 1 at a time), or they allow you to skip to the first letter you're looking for.

- also the display doesn't show you more than x characters - it cuts off long text displays of band or song name.

- no way to see song and band and album at the same time. You can either see the song or the band or the album but not more than one of those at a time. And guess what you have to push to change that display - a button called disc rpt (iirc). intuitive right?

- no way to fast forward within a song - you can skip to the next or go back but can't fast forward.

- the display only shows you one song at a time. Other displays I've seen will show you ahead and behind (like 5 at a time with the one you're on highlighted) so you can see what you're looking for. This one shows just one at a time.

- this is preference not functional, but still - the look and feel of the dispaly is terrible (but admittedly usable). never seen a production system with such a piss poor display. I would have been embarrassed if I were associated with the product in any way shape or form - it is not fit for a top of the line vehicle like the LC or LX - not even for their bottom of the line.

- can't handle more than 99 playlists. Right off the bat I had well over a hundred

- can't handle more than 999 songs in a given playlist. personally I have well over that on numerous playlists.

- also with regard to the 99 and 999 limitations is that their instructions say (iirc) if you exceed their limits the behavior could be unexpected (iirc they use the kind of language that says to me "we have no idea how it will behave" and "all hell may brake loose").

I have other observations on the lack of functionality in the satellite navigation and bluetooth, but I'll leave that for another post where it would be on topic :-)

I went a slightly different route on my 03 lx. I installed a USA spec interface behind the dash and a pro-clip iPhone holder on the dash. The setup charges the phone with the case on and plays through the factory stereo perfectly. You can use the steering wheel controls for track selection.

I use it everyday. You can even rotate phone and watch Netflix while the audio comes through the stereo (while stopped).

Can you elaborate on this solution? What is the "USA spec interface" you are referring to? Any writeups or products you can point us to? I'm curious to see more about it.

Thanks!
 
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Agaisin, what VAIS unit are you using, VML vs VML Plus vs SoundLinQ2 SL2i-UP ? I would be happy to to get my iPod playlists playing through my sound system with as high end sound qulity as I can. I'm more interested in the VML, which is digital signal as opposed to the SL2i-UP which is analog signal. I don't care about the video capabilities of the VML+ system. All the responses and discussion seem to be about the SL2i-UP unit. I am looking for information on the VML or VML+ units. They also support the latest iO system for the G4 iPhone and iPad. Do you or anyone else have experience with these units or their installation in a '06 hundy?
 
im using sl2iup but pretty certain the limitations i mentioned still apply.

can't help with vml specific questions. vais has great tech support and i think they have active forums as well.
 
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im using sl2iup but pretty certain the limitations i mentioned still apply.

can't help with vml specific questions. vais has great tech support and i think they have active forums as well.

Given the limitations, are you otherwise satisfied with the VAIS quality? With no other real option, is VAIS still better than no VAIS? Or is it just a waste of time and money?
 
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Your questions are rather vague. So I think you should be prepared for vague answers. If you're more specific with what exactly you're asking, I can maybe share more.

Moving on, I have an older SL system for my 2002 GS. Vais is a awsome! Well, compared to no Vais. There are limitations that Agaisin pointed out but overall I'd say it was worth the money.

The install was also pretty easy. I ran mine directly off my factory nav and behind the dash and through the glove box. Just left a 30-40 Gig iPod in there. The instal was completely trouble free and it's worked for years just fine.

My girlfriend uses her iPhone 4 on the old Vais unit and it's plays music just fine. She's lost the ability to charge her iPhone on the Vais unit but hey, when I bought the Vais device Apple wasn't making iPhone and iTouches so that's not bad!
 
I went a slightly different route on my 03 lx. I installed a USA spec interface behind the dash and a pro-clip iPhone holder on the dash. The setup charges the phone with the case on and plays through the factory stereo perfectly. You can use the steering wheel controls for track selection.

I use it everyday. You can even rotate phone and watch Netflix while the audio comes through the stereo (while stopped).


I take it ALL back! There really are options. This may take some time to evaluate.


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I'm pretty sure every limitation I've mentioned applies to any product below that integrates with the nav screen (MFD). The problem isn't with the product manufacturer, it's with Toyota/Lexus Navigation User Interface. If they're integrating with the nav they're all using the same screen. So 99 playlists, 999 songs per playlist etc, only able to display one of album/artist/song at a time and must use disc rand button to switch b/w them, no fast searching/skipping, etc.

I would like to know more about Loyota's solution with USA Spec - if you are using the navigation screen to navigate on the ipod then the toyota/lex nav screen has the limitations discussed. If you are navigating on the ipod itself then you have the beautiful and fully functional navigation capabilities of the ipod. That's not full integration in my book - nice, but not full integration. It's a step above aux input since you are able to navigate from the steering wheel. If you are ok with that navigating on the ipod itself rather than on the nav screen, sounds like that might be the way to go.

You might want to get screen shots of what it looks like on the nav screen from the vendors or from others b/f making your decision.

To answer your earlier question about is vais a waste - personally I'm much happier with VAIS than without. It's not a waste of money at all to me - I LOVE having it. I just had higher expectations but I'm much happier with it than without.

When I bought my vehicle I knew I needed to have bluetooth, ipod integration and satellite integration. I did a lot of research on the options ahead of time and made sure I bought a year that had bluetooth and satellite and ipod capability -> some years of LC/LX (pre 04 or pre 05 can't remember) only allowed either satellite or ipod with VAIS integration but not both, and forget if it's pre 03/04/05 but earlier models don't have bluetooth at all. I would highly recommend VAIS versus nothing as long as you know what you're getting and don't have too high expectations. I knew about Dice but believe it to be the same as VAIS - nothing better or worse about it, except that vais seemed to be more popular and vais is what the dealership installs (at least the dealership i used). I don't know the other products so can't say yay or nay.
 
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For what its worth, I put last years SL2i in our 06 LX470 and love it. The install was extremely easy (plug and play) and I routed the ipod connector into the center console. When I first got it, I would create playlists and you could clearly see them and select the playlists from the NAV or from any other controls in the car. Song titles are displayed. You can set up the unit I bought to either scroll through music via the nav system or from the ipod itself, but not both. Now I plug in my iPhone and just stream Pandora on trips. I rarely listen to any of my own music on iTunes. I only wish I bought the VAIS unit that has video so I could stream Netflix too! VAIS has better technology built into it (cleaner audio) than many of the other companies in my opinion. Good Luck.
 
Just to clarify...you can change back and forth between using only ipod controls from ipod or only using the trucks controls/nav. But, its still one or the other with the model I purchased...I have not done firmware update for what its worth.
 
After looking at all of the different iPod interface adapters from the different venders, they are all about the same with the same limitations dependent on the vehicle's OEM components as stated above. Also, theyseem to be mostly analog converts. They ones that seems to truely be a High-End Digital Audio Interface Adapter are the VAIS VML/ML+. Alittle more spendy at $249.99, but according to the folks on the Lexus forums it sounds better than playing CDs on the factory CD player!

The local Toyota dealer here sends their clients to a local Car Audio company that only uses the USA SPEC units and will not deal with anything else. Tech support at VAIS suggested calling the local Best Buy car stereo installation service to do the install. The local Best Buy doesn't sell VAIS, but they do have experience installing them. Takes about half a day. ~$80.00 installation fee and drive away happy!:cool:

I ordered a VML from VAIS today. Will have Best Buy do the install. Will let you know how it comes out in a couple of weeks.
 
Fantastic! I just picked up my 2006 LC hundy with my new VAIS VML (MultiMediaLinQ - High-End Digital Audio InterfaceAdapter) and it just sounds awesome. I connected my 160 GB iPod Classic with about 5900 non-compressed songs (~15 days of continuous music) and drove around for an hour and a half. It played flawlessly with truely amazing sound quality. With this unit, I do not seem to have to break-up my complete library into smaller playlists in order for it to work. I do have a couple of smaller playlists and it was very easy to switch from one to another using the Nav system touch screen. There seems to be no detectable delay between the randomly selected songs with the RAND setting. The VAIS VML USB cable is ran through the center console to the base of the center arm rest and up to the removable tray, that is now felt lined. It looks great and makes it easy to get to the iPod when getting in or out of the rig. Here are a couple of pics showing the setup. I love it! If you love your iPod and want a really great sounding system get the VAIS VML!

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Fantastic! I just picked up my 2006 LC hundy with my new VAIS VML (MultiMediaLinQ - High-End Digital Audio InterfaceAdapter) and it just sounds awesome. I connected my 160 GB iPod Classic with about 5900 non-compressed songs (~15 days of continuous music) and drove around for an hour and a half. It played flawlessly with truely amazing sound quality. With this unit, I do not seem to have to break-up my complete library into smaller playlists in order for it to work. I do have a couple of smaller playlists and it was very easy to switch from one to another using the Nav system touch screen. There seems to be no detectable delay between the randomly selected songs with the RAND setting. The VAIS VML USB cable is ran through the center console to the base of the center arm rest and up to the removable tray, that is now felt lined. It looks great and makes it easy to get to the iPod when getting in or out of the rig. Here are a couple of pics showing the setup. I love it! If you love your iPod and want a really great sounding system get the VAIS VML!

Nice, can you still use your CD player? I assume you can skip songs and go back as well.
 
Nice, can you still use your CD player? I assume you can skip songs and go back as well.

Yep. Everything, including the radio and multichanger CD player work just like they are suppose to with the VAIS in place. Full use of steering wheel controls also. I don't know if the tape player has ever worked, I've never used it.
 
Yep. Everything, including the radio and multichanger CD player work just like they are suppose to with the VAIS in place. Full use of steering wheel controls also. I don't know if the tape player has ever worked, I've never used it.

Thanks

The truck I just got has the satellite VAIS system. I am not able to listen to CD's, although the changer sees the disks
 
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