200 series vs. 100 series

[tincan45]

Resurrecting a thread as solid as our trucks...

I also have many questions from those choosing one over the other having seen the grass on the other side. I'm sold on more power, have experienced KDSS on a prior GX and have sunk a ton of money into the 100. Really I would love to be able to safely pass a big rig on all our 2-lane roads around here. Power is otherwise perfectly fine offroad.

- What do DIY-ers say about the transition from 100 to 200?

Same situation just more electronics to deal with

- Is there anything that is impossible to work on at home (I have a ramp lift at least)?

Not really - Like the 100 the 200 is super reliable.

- Does a 200 really get 13-18 mpg?

13mpg around town 14-15 on the highway if you are lucky.

- Can the telematics be disabled?

Not sure what you mean

- Does it have an oil dipstick?

Yes.

- Is there a trim package or option list somewhere?

LC really only have one trim package, and some LX have a premium package, but mostly the same.

- All have KDSS right?

LC do LX have AHC

- Are there any functional differences between the LX and LC? All I can tell is the look of the tail.

AHC is the primary difference, just like the 100's

 

[vjpkrmnc]

Thanks! My telematics question should have been, when did Toyota start using an outbound data connection in Land Cruisers? If at all in 200s. From this 2025 user manual they can phone home to daddy. I assumed 200s have it since my BMWs from years prior have it. Buried in the bmw coding there are ways to disable remote tracking of usage-driven maintenance, or whatever other stuff onstar might have done. I always try to rip out whatever antennas they may have for that purpose.

 

[GrouchyTech]

Resurrecting a thread as solid as our trucks...

- Can the telematics be disabled?

Pull the DCM fuse (10A red fuse) in the fuse block above the driver’s feet. I’m not sure if this will affect Bluetooth, though.

Also, why?

 

[sedole]

Everything tincan45 said. But I'll add that when stock or even with small 33s I could still push 20mpg straight highway. With 35s and 2.5" lift I can still get 16mpg highway pretty regularly. I'm not regeared at all. Commuting which is half city half highway I avg 13-14.

Also passing power (even with the 35s) is great. No issues at all passing a big rig. Or most slow moving traffic for that matter.

 

[GrouchyTech]

Everything tincan45 said. But I'll add that when stock or even with small 33s I could still push 20mpg straight highway. With 35s and 2.5" lift I can still get 16mpg highway pretty regularly. I'm not regeared at all. Commuting which is half city half highway I avg 13-14.

Also passing power (even with the 35s) is great. No issues at all passing a big rig. Or most slow moving traffic for that matter.

TWENTY mpg on 33s?? Is that downhill at 55 with a tailwind?

 

[sedole]

TWENTY mpg on 33s?? Is that downhill at 55 with a tailwind?

Yeah and not at all. I definitely don't drive like a bat out of hell, but I'm not a snail either. Whenever I got that high I definitely stuck around 65 mph though and mostly flat trips. I've got like 5 or 6 pictures in my phone of tanks that got around 20 mpg. Best ever was 21.5. All those were 150-200+ mile trips.

Driving more normal speeds I'd regularly get 16-17 mpg on the 33s (285/65/18).

Edit: I am at elevation which may help.

 

[Heckraiser]

I have gotten as high as 20 mpg on 35's with 4.88 gears. It was Steamboat to Denver, so net elevation loss (though a fair amount of up and down in between) and I was going easy on it most of the way aside from a few 90mph passing maneuvers here and there. Has more to do with driving style than the vehicle or setup, IMO. Typical for me is around 13-14 mpg in combinded city/highway. Sometimes when that leans more city and shorter trips, I'll get as low as 11-12. Basically the same as all my cruisers going back to the FJ60.

I never owned a 100, but I've driven a few. By all accounts, the 200 is a worthy upgrade. One thing I do not like is the prevalence of electronics, but it's unavoidable in a modern vehicle, and they really are pretty low-tech compared to other contemporary alternatives. That and the sheer size of the vehicle is a little much for my tastes, but can be handy.

AHC is great (if you get a Lexus), KDSS is great (if you get a Toyota). Both are reliable. Really can't go wrong with either vehicle as long as it's in good shape and not rusty.

 

[bloc]

I am approaching twenty trips to Colorado as experiments and while I reliably get a noticeable bump in efficiency at altitude, it’s very safe to say 20mpg is an outlier. As is 16 on 35s.

But when stock, the published 17-18 at 75mph or so is pretty attainable, even close to sea level. And this is with 130 more hp available than the early 100s.

 

[GrouchyTech]

I am approaching twenty trips to Colorado as experiments and while I reliably get a noticeable bump in efficiency at altitude, it’s very safe to say 20mpg is an outlier. As is 16 on 35s.

But when stock, the published 17-18 at 75mph or so is pretty attainable, even close to sea level. And this is with 130 more hp available than the early 100s.

I completely missed the fact that he’s a mile high or greater that entire trip. And since the power required to overcome drag increases with the cube of the velocity… now I can believe it

 

[Supra Turbo]

Have achieved 20mpg on the highway in my rig before also, on 33s. Mostly on cruise control set at 60mph. Nowadays, typically see indicated 17-18 mpg on 34s.

 

[sdnative]

Fuel blends are a large contributor to mileage as well. When I drove back from Kansas after picking up my truck I was getting great mileage. As soon as I hit CA it dropped like a rock.

 

[vjpkrmnc]

I have gotten as high as 20 mpg on 35's with 4.88 gears. It was Steamboat to Denver, so net elevation loss (though a fair amount of up and down in between) and I was going easy on it most of the way aside from a few 90mph passing maneuvers here and there. Has more to do with driving style than the vehicle or setup, IMO. Typical for me is around 13-14 mpg in combinded city/highway. Sometimes when that leans more city and shorter trips, I'll get as low as 11-12. Basically the same as all my cruisers going back to the FJ60.

I never owned a 100, but I've driven a few. By all accounts, the 200 is a worthy upgrade. One thing I do not like is the prevalence of electronics, but it's unavoidable in a modern vehicle, and they really are pretty low-tech compared to other contemporary alternatives. That and the sheer size of the vehicle is a little much for my tastes, but can be handy.

AHC is great (if you get a Lexus), KDSS is great (if you get a Toyota). Both are reliable. Really can't go wrong with either vehicle as long as it's in good shape and not rusty.

I was going to ask, "wait, LX doesn't have kdss?" then promptly came across this thread. Not sure it tells me if the LX performs onroad like KDSS is supposed to but, it is a seemingly significant difference. Fwiw my 06 GX470 had KDSS and AHC, hence my confusion.

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