1998 100 lx470 or 1-3 year old expedition/gm?

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I’m trying to convince a friend of mine that it is better to purchase a 98-99 Lx 470 than a 1-3 year/old Comparably? Vehicle from one of the big three. My belief is that despite the age difference the cruiser would be much more reliable. He won’t be using it off-road but as a family – hauler…3 kids, dog, etc. The fit and finish are way better on the cruiser; the powerplant is way smoother than what the big three can offer. Opinions
 
It would depend on tons of factors. Will he be doing his own maintenance? Does he understand he will have to fix and replace stuff? How long will he keep his vehicles?

Much can be said of a newer low mileage vehicle if he only plans on driving it for a few years.

I bought mine with the intention of keeping it indefinitely. Mine will be on the road still in 15 years, in some incarnation.
 
he plans on keeping it 2 or 3 years,then buy something else.
 
I've owned a 99 LC and 98 and 2000 Expeditions. Zero problems with the 98 Exp for 3 years. One minor sensor failure on the 2000 Exp in 3 years. Zero dollars spent on both as they were under warranty. The 2000 had 55k when I bought it and 83k when I sold it to buy the LC. My 62k mile 99 LC has broken down three times in the first 4 months, twice stranding my wife and kids. Go figure! From my long experience owning cars,( probably owned over 30) a newer car is generally more reliable than an older one regardless of mileage or make. Now a six year old LC is probably going to be more reliable than a six year old Expedition too. But I've owned American and foreign brands and the American vehicles I've owned have all been fairly reliable. Same with the foreign. Now the LC is a lot nicer than an Expediton, so you really aren't comparing apples to apples in that regard. The LC will be more expensive to fix when it breaks as well. A good bit more.
The LC definitly has a smoother engine. Better ride, Quieter. Handles much better. The Expedition is more family friendly and might make a better soccer mom type vehicle. Its larger and easier to get into and out of. Better gas mileage believe it or not. I would routinely get 20 mpg with my Exp 5.4l engine on trips. 15 mpg around town. The newer Expeditions are even better and handle a LOT better. That was the reason I sold the 2000, scary handling characteristics. I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but from what I've learned, the 100 series LC is NOT Toyotas most reliable model. Frankly Toyota made its reliability reputation with the Camry, Corollas, and their small pickups.
A lot of their other models haven't been able to meet that same high standard in reliability in recent years. Still good, but not as perfect as the above vehicles. Of course the more complicated and powerful vehicles become, the less reliable. Toyota had serious problems with head gaskets, sludge problems and electrical issues in a lot of models. They alienated quiet a few long time customers by denying warranty on sludge engines for years, claiming lack of maintenance, when they knew it was really a design flaw. And read about problems with the new Sienna minivan's supposedly run-flat tires. No spare and your'e screwed if you lose a tire as they are on back order nationwide. The final straw for me was the horrible dealers who continually rank near the bottom nationally for customer service. I had the same theory you did. Buy a higher quality, but older vehicle. It has turned out to be about a $5000 mistake for me. Your friend might have the totally opposite experience though. I'd tell him to find a used one with a good extended warranty and that would probably be the best of both worlds as they are awesome driving vehicles, but somewhat expensive to repair.
 
rule 303, what were your 3 breakdowns that left your family twice stranded?

I don't have a 100, but my last 80 had 200k with no problems, just did regular maintenance.
 
Skunkworks, go to the JD Powers website:

http://www.jdpower.com/cc/auto/ratings/vehicles/FindJdAwards.jsp

Plug in 2004 Expedition and 99 LX470/Land Cruiser. The LX/LC equals or betters the Expedition in every category. Or check with Consumer Reports which has a much larger sample size us on this board. You'll also find similiar results.

If reliability and safety are the highest concerns, I'd suggest a 2000+ Land Cruiser since it has added safety features. The LC has fewer gizmos than the LX that might need repair.
 
Throttle Position sensor twice and Alternator. No one can even tell us for sure if the TPS sensor is indeed bad. Two dealers and two different opinions. Plus a third independent mechanic. Search this forum and you'll find a lot more info on the peculiar TPS failure. Some say its not really the TPS but the Pedal position sensor. Some say its the throttle control motor. Just a lot of confusion regarding what exactly fails on these vehicles. Either way it leaves you with ZERO throttle control. It just dies with no warning. Hardly safe. You'd think they'd have a failure default to at least some throttle like every other car maker out there! One dealer said to replace the throttle body which I think was total BS. Its an electrical issue.
The alternator could happen anytime and from what I can tell my vehicle was a fluke, they usually dont fail this early. But the stupid idea to locate it on the underside of an offroad vehicle makes me wonder about the engineering. Road salt and water probably got to the connections.
The stupid key replacement issue is another gaff on Toyota's part. They have since fixed it but on pre 2000 models if you lose the key your'e screwed. The dealers dont even know the proceedure to fix this! Any moron engineer could figure out that they needed to plan on that contingincy. Instead, you have to change out the whole damn computer. Just dumb. Face it, keys get lost especially when the vehicle changes hands several times.
Heat shield rattles on a $60,000 vehicle! Brakes warp easily. Premature starter failures. Do you want me to go on?
I said before that I thought the 80 series and before made the Land cruiser reputation for reliablity. The 100 series is not the simple, rugged go anywhere world traveler the 80 was. The 100 is a whole different machine and a bit more delicate and sophisticated.
I never said the Expediton was a better vehicle. No way! I just think for soccer moms its more practical and a lot less money to own in the long run. And you can get them fixed anywhere with parts right of the shelf of your local NAPA parts store. The trade off of a more complicated machine is usually more things break and more cost when they do.
 

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