12.5 aux tank (LRA) long term issues

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These tanks have been around for several years now, and obviously there have been some fitment issues from day 1 with them. This thread is not to direct blame at anyone, but make others aware of issues that may be going on unnoticed, which could lead to some pretty bad and unexpected failures. It would be nice to see some type of update or modification to current design or install instructions, which would not take much at all to eliminate a majority of the issues people are having.

I've had the 12.5g LRA aux tank for 3 years now and did the original install myself. It has more or less been trouble free, up until now. I did do the "high loop" air filter mod, which I think helps quite a bit with charcoal canister issues. I have not been as diligent in maintaining the vent air filter as I should have been which resulted in 1-2 charcoal canister saturations and the resulting codes. These have cleared themselves with time. This filter needs to be cleaned/serviced with every oil change.

All was fine until recently when I noticed a few "drips" under the rear of the truck. Quick swipe with a paper towel and it was obvious this was coolant, and coming from above the aux tank. There are 2 hard lines above the tank going into the rear heater core (inlet and outlet) and one of these was compromised. I could get a hand under this area and feel the lines touching the tank. Not knowing which to order, I got both since they were not expensive.

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This was my first project on a newly installed Rotary SPO 12 Wide lift and I will say that having a lift is such a game changer when working on vehicles. If you have room in your shop/garage for one and have been on the fence, get one. Installing the aux tank was a miserable multi day process on a creeper on my back in a cold garage. Removal, repair of issues, and reinstall was a few hour job, standing upright, with a heated floor. Having help from @lelandEOD and @reklund5 also made this a lot faster and much more enjoyable. This went from a chore to a fun Saturday project hanging out with friends.

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After getting the 200 on the lift and pulling the passenger rear tire, it was pretty easy to disconnect lines, pull the spare carrier (which was not going back on due to going to 34" tires), and loosen tank fittings. I ran the tank dry and did several pumps when going downhill, but there was still at least 1 gallon of fuel when I pulled the drain plug on the aux tank. More than expected. Good to know if you ever were in a pinch and completely out of fuel. With extra sets of hands, and some T post jack stands, getting the tank down was easy too. The worst part was lowering it just enough to disconnect the float wires, without stretching them. An Anderson connection here wouldn't be a bad idea if you ever had to remove it again.

With the tank down, it was pretty apparent where the issue was. Good thing I ordered both lines. The AC line also had some rub marks on it, but not bad enough to worry me. However, long term, this would have absolutely compromised the AC line and been very difficult to diagnose since refrigerant rarely drips. I'm also lucky that the coolant leak was a slow trickle. Had it been more of a burst, this could have absolutely lead to overheating and head gasket issues or worse.

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With the tank on the ground, you could clearly see that it was rubbing in multiple spots. This is not an install issue, but a design and clearance issue. I would have gladly sacrificed a gallon of fuel, or a 1/2 inch of clearance to avoid all of this from the beginning. If it wasn't the coolant lines, it would have been the AC line, or some of the rear light/tow hitch wires that would have eventually been taken out. Or even a hole in the subtank itself.

Removing the coolant lines was a bit tricky. There are some plastic retainers that can be removed, and 1 that cannot. One of these requires loosening the 3 nuts holding the muffler heat shield and sliding it just enough out of the way to get the retainer. For the one that cannot be removed, you have to do your best to push out the lines without breaking the plastic tabs. The charcoal canister needs to be removed too.

After that, the old lines can be removed, and the new lines "persuaded" to go in. Line clamps on the rubber lines before the hard lines make this less messy.

With new lines in, it's pretty much reverse of the removal. However, we had to address some fundamental fitment issues, otherwise I would be doing this again in another 2-3 years. All we needed was another 1/2" or less of additional clearance. After a bit of thinking, and trying to determine what was the easiest way to get the needed clearance with the least amount of effort, @lelandEOD and @reklund5 came up with a great idea of adding a heavy rubber mat at the front (under the U bolts) and mounting the tank under (instead of over) the rear mounting brackets, and adding a rubber spacer there too. This required just minimal cutting with an angle grinder. The rubber mat used was really dense and at least 1/4" thick, if not more.

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After install, it was apparent that we had at least 1/2" of additional clearance. The AC and coolant lines were well out of harm's way, and the rear wiring connectors, while tight, were no longer touching the tank. We all felt pretty good about this working much better long term. As mentioned earlier, these are not major changes or tweaks and could easily be accomplished without having to redesign the tank. A few additional or modified brackets/parts and a change to instructions is all it takes. With a new tank costing above $3k now, this should have already been done.

I don't know if this is an issue with the 24g tank too, but I'm guessing the top of both tanks is more or less the same. From the driver rear wheel well, you can see the hard lines, and a bore scope or other camera could probably give you a good idea on how much clearance you have. It would be worthwhile to check this if you have either tank.
 
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If you have one of these tanks on your truck, I highly recommend buying yourself a small inspection mirror and seeing if you have any contact. This is now the second 200 I've seen taken down by a LRA rear tank install. About two years ago another good friend's 2016 200 with the 24 gallon tank died while out on a trail run. Heck, I think there's a thread on mud about it. Basically something had taken down the entire can network. It took weeks to diagnose and cost $2500 out-of-pocket to have Toyota replace the wiring sub harness running under the body because it had gotten pinched and chafed by the sub tank. @reklund5 can verify but I believe there is a single wire running on that loom that serves as a voltage reference for the canbus network and when it went dead short the truck literally would not start.

Now, on with the show. In Kristian's case, I'm glad we caught the problem before it resulted in an overheated 3UR or a catastrophic air conditioning system failure/replacement. I can't even imagine how much it would cost to replace the front and rear evaporators, condenser, compressor, etc. if rapid decompression grenaded the compressor...

I could've sworn I took a photo but I don't seem to have it; Kris, did you take a photo of the wiring harness connector that had almost rubbed through the insulation on the passenger side harness bracket? That was a pinch point as well. Anyway, spacing the tank downward by a quarter of an inch created enough clearance all the way around and I am confident he will never have a problem with it again.

However, if you have one of these tanks on your truck you really ought to find time to lower it and verify nothing is rubbing at all. You need to be concerned about coolant lines, air conditioning system lines, and your wiring harness. While I think we all appreciate companies like LRA bringing products like this to market, it appears the desire to maximize every ounce of capacity may come at a more consequential cost.

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I could've sworn I took a photo but I don't seem to have it; Kris, did you take a photo of the wiring harness connector that had almost rubbed through the insulation on the passenger side harness bracket? That was a pinch point as well. Anyway, spacing the tank downward by a quarter of an inch created enough clearance all the way around and I am confident he will never have a problem with it again.

I just took some. These are after mods, so while it looks tight now, it was 100% rubbing before. I'm not sure if this goes to the rear parking sensors, rear lights, or tow hitch, but regardless one of these was months away from getting grounded out.

Despite the issues, I am still glad to have the extra fuel on board, and I would purchase this again, but at 3+ years out, this is not a beta test version. These issues have been known for years and there has been plenty of opportunity for LRA to address it.

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I'm just glad we got a good solution to the problem. @BadReligion has shop that give me BAD shop envy, not to mention his collection of old cruisers. What a killer space to spend the day!

Had a long talk with @MountNGoat today about the aux tank in his 200 series too...and have more of that good rubber sheet on order to do another retrofit.

That sorta custom engineering should be billable hours payable in Coors Banquet, thankyouverymuch!
 
Glad you caught and got it sorted. I had missed these other threads, so thanks for sharing and flagging. Two questions when you or others have time.

1) Any more pictures of the modifications and you guys are pretty comfortable / confident in this being a solid long term fix?
2) For anyone in Aus... have people down there had issues, or, are lines run differently on the RHD / ROW LC200's?
 
Appreciate the write-up and looking out. Mine's a fresh enough install that I'd HOPE to not have any damage, but I may take it back out to the installer to have it dropped and things rerouted/mounted. Definitely going to poke around with an inspection mirror, though.

Has anyone done a side-by-side comparison with a new tank to be sure there hasn't been a design change over those 3 years? Not sure how old anyone else's is.If there hasn't been...that truly is disappointing given the cost.
 
Glad you caught and got it sorted. I had missed these other threads, so thanks for sharing and flagging. Two questions when you or others have time.

1) Any more pictures of the modifications and you guys are pretty comfortable / confident in this being a solid long term fix?
2) For anyone in Aus... have people down there had issues, or, are lines run differently on the RHD / ROW LC200's?

Here is the rubber that we added to under the existing U bolts. That was the only mod needed up front. In the rear, it was just mounting the tank under the tabs, instead of above like the original instructions. @lelandEOD may have a few more pictures.

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I don't think they have the evap canister in Australia so likely the aux tanks are different there. Plus they can get OEM subtanks.
 
Appreciate the write-up and looking out. Mine's a fresh enough install that I'd HOPE to not have any damage, but I may take it back out to the installer to have it dropped and things rerouted/mounted. Definitely going to poke around with an inspection mirror, though.

Has anyone done a side-by-side comparison with a new tank to be sure there hasn't been a design change over those 3 years? Not sure how old anyone else's is.If there hasn't been...that truly is disappointing given the cost.
That is a good point. I am not sure if LRA updated the tank design, but my guess is no. If not, that is disappointing, considering these mods could be added to the install kit for dollars and without any modifications to the tank itself.

From the driver rear wheel well, you can see the hoses just above the frame rail. This pic was taken post mod. The 3 rear most lines all were in contact before, and now are at least 1/2" away. I added a little rubber hose over the AC line.

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Thanks for pulling this thread together! Great insight for the next person that inevitably will experience this.

Just as I and several others have but perhaps it was lost in the noise without a specific thread (see link below). This is another reason I encourage many to start mods with a body lift. It does so many good things, including making it easier to modify, tinker, and better accommodate things like the aux tank.

Pulling my LRA aux tank to change a charcoal canister as I'm getting a small evap leak CEL.

What do I find, a small coolant leak due to the LRA chaffing against this line. Lovely.

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Thanks for pulling this thread together! Great insight for the next person that inevitably will experience this.

Just as I and several others have but perhaps it was lost in the noise without a specific thread (see link below). This is another reason I encourage many to start mods with a body lift. It does so many good things, including making it easier to modify, tinker, and better accommodate things like the aux tank.

I was assuming this already happened to a few other people. I know you were one of the first on here to run the 12.5 aux tank (especially on an LX). How long had your tank been installed prior to you finding that leak?

That is a good point about body lifts. Had I installed one, this would not have been an issue.
 
Thanks for pulling this thread together! Great insight for the next person that inevitably will experience this.

Just as I and several others have but perhaps it was lost in the noise without a specific thread (see link below). This is another reason I encourage many to start mods with a body lift. It does so many good things, including making it easier to modify, tinker, and better accommodate things like the aux tank.
Hrm...that's an idea. Do you think a body lift could be done with leaving the tank intact? Or would it have to come down? I may, strongly, consider this in lieu of pulling the tank, adding spacers, etc. Plus you get the added benefits of the body lift anyway. Thanks for planting that in my head.
 
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