100K Service

[chukiechz]

I went in for my 90k service (at 94K miles) and was told I had to replace the timing belt. A few hours after I left the LC at the dealer, my service rep called me and said the water pump had a small leak. I questioned it because I had not seen any leaks. He told me that if I waited to replace it at a later date it would cost $600 to $800, but since they were already in there it would only be $374. To make a long story short, total cost for 90K mile service, timing belt and water pump = $1,374! I called a another Totota dealer a few cities away (Irvine, CA) and they quoated about the same price. At any rate, I was depressed as this was the one and only repair I've had to do on my '99 since I bought it new.

I took my LX to Saddleback Imports in Laguna Hills, and I was out the door for under 1K. This also included the water pump, tensioners, drive belt and also a diff fluid change.

 

[Landpimp]

I did the t-belt, drive belt, waterpump, tensioners, t-stat, anti freeze, crank seals.....all for under 1K at the dealer, my parts were discounted 25%, which is automatic because thats what I pay. Oh I also got a free OEM radiator.....the tech put a hole in mine

Those prices sound pretty high to me. I had my '99 at Toyota yesterday and the service guy quoted $339 for the TBelt and and another $279 for the waterpump.

 

[Jukelemon]

I went in for my 90k service (at 94K miles) and was told I had to replace the timing belt. A few hours after I left the LC at the dealer, my service rep called me and said the water pump had a small leak. I questioned it because I had not seen any leaks. He told me that if I waited to replace it at a later date it would cost $600 to $800, but since they were already in there it would only be $374. To make a long story short, total cost for 90K mile service, timing belt and water pump = $1,374! I called a another Totota dealer a few cities away (Irvine, CA) and they quoated about the same price. At any rate, I was depressed as this was the one and only repair I've had to do on my '99 since I bought it new.

That is an absolutely ridiculous price. My 90k service including water pump was NO WHERE near that. I would call Toyota on that one.

 

[uzj100]

Yeah 1374 is about $500 more than what the guys in NC would charge. That includes, new anti freeze, s-belt, t-belt, tensioners, seals and water pump.

uzj100

 

[hoser]

To make a long story short, total cost for 90K mile service, timing belt and water pump = $1,374! I called a another Totota dealer a few cities away (Irvine, CA) and they quoated about the same price.

The local Bay Area Lexus dealer charges $1050 for the t-belt and water pump replacement. The 90k sevice--about $500 which includes changing the spark plugs and all the fluid changes. So, $1550 total for the same work.

 

[bh4rnnr]

Originally Posted by Landpimp

As to waterpumps, the pumps on the 100 is alumium, the pumps on older cruisers are cast.....the cast ones seem to outlast the aluminum ones, this is also what my Toyota parts guy has seen, many of the alum pumps get replaced with less then 100k because of leaks. I have yet to see a cast pump leak at less then 100K.

I dont see why the type of metal would affect the pump. It's the seals that leak.

Originally Posted by Landpimp

my understadning was that Lexus requires the waterpump to be replaced when doing the t-belt. I know our LX470 had the belt(s) tensioners, waterpump, upper/lower hoses and some other bits done before we bought it.

Lexus doesnt require waterpump replacement on the 90k service.. The dealer could be recomending it being that they are right there.

 

[Landpimp]

let me put it this way. If you were doing a clutch in a Cruiser(say a 40 or 60) would you NOT replace the throwout bearing and the rear main when you were there?

ask guys who work on cars for a living what they would do when changing a t-belt on their own car......bet 9 out of 10 would say they would repalce the waterpump.

Personaly I don't give a rats ass if anyone changes it or not......I know what I have done and will ALLWAYS do.....its called PREVENTIVE MAINTENCE

John

 

[Landpimp]

just going by what my parts guy of 10 years(30 years in parts biz, 15 with Toyota) told me. I suspect its like a cast block with a aluminum head type deal or maybe something else. I know I have not had to replace a waterpump on a f-2f-3fe before 200K......and I know my 2000 100 with 90K on had a pump that was starting to leak.

I'll just shut up now......ya all can take your chance.......its not my money

I dont see why the type of metal would affect the pump. It's the seals that leak.




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[mscott]

I've been quoted "up to $1300 or so" depending on what they find while in there. In other words, how the tensioners, pulleys, etc. look... This from a dealer and an indy.

 

[Landpimp]

BTW........its not 100K Service.........its 90K

 

[powderpig]

Well I have done a few of these 90 k services and it does vary from dealer to dealer. I just compledted one on a 99 lexus and the coolant pump was leaking out the weap hole and the tensioner pulley was making noise, with the idler making less noise. I did replace the tensioner as I was lazy (maybe in away, but the new tensioner is smaller, maybe not to put as much tension on it to wear the Pump and other bearing). Any how, If you trust the mechanic or its your own labor then it may be a good choice to not do some thing. But if you are depending on it then maybe it is better to pay the price.
To do both the water pump and the t-belt is 8 toyota book hours. the part can cost (my cost not yours maybe C-dans also) about 300 for all the tensioners, belt, bearing, water pump (my cost is about 88 dollars). So if you can get the t-belt done for 350-400 what a steal(hopefully the shop is eating it, not the guy doing the job(he needs to feed his family also)) the water pump is a hour and what 120 with a generous mark up. so not too far from 279.

Some time it gets to me how people bitch about what it costs to do work on these vechicles as well as cars in general. The good mechanics have as much invested in training and education as most people that have their masters(maybe a strech, I have both). Then come in to play the shop owner(or dealer), he want a living and to pay the bills. Then the customer that want everything garentied for a million miles. I wish doctors or lawyers would give the same warranties that most shops give, they do not have to be right, but mechanics have to be or it is a waste of money or ther are mistrusted ETC.

any way my pet peve. Good money spent on a great ride that the service lasts as long as it does.


I just spent a day and most of a second doing a 90 k serivce. All fluids (even the hydralice suspension), repack the front bearing, front brakes, bleed brakes, replace tranny fluid, P/S fluid, engine oil, all diffs and t-case, tranny flush, coolant, t-belt and bearing, coolant pump, grease drive line, fuel filter, air filter.
O Yea, no spark plugs at this service (unless it is some thing else then the factory Iridum; Once at 60k(emission required), other wise up to 100 k miles per change). So factory time on this is close to 14-15 hrs, parts/fuilds close to 400+ in cost on material. So figure labor for your area and a mark up then you may understand the deals or not you may be getting in your local area.


good luck on your choice.later robbie

 

[jp213a]

Forum members have reported several premature component failures on LC's and LX's including exhaust manifolds, starter contacts, and brake boosters but no one has reported a timing belt failure. Everyone knows Toyota puts a safety factor in their recommended maintenance mileages. One member reported going 190k miles on the original timing belt; a >2x safety factor. So an option to consider, especially for those who plan to change the water pump, idler bearings, and tensioner in conjunction with the timing belt, is to delay the timing belt from 90k to 100k or 110k or even 120k. This means you wouldn't need to spend $1000-1500 again until 200k, 220k or 240k.

 

[hoser]

For me, I plan to have this cruiser for a long time but I probably won't keep it till 180k. Might as well do it now (at 90K) than later. If I clocked 120k on the original t-belt, I'd be a little bit concerned take it on long distance trips--that's 30% longer than the recommended interval.

Nor would I likely buy a cruiser from an owner who didn't change it till 120+K. Kinda makes you wonder about all the other maintenance.

 

[Jukelemon]

The point is really, as John has stated, preventative maint. and cost exposure if the pump did fail between the mileage points of 90k and 180k i.e. the next time you would do a tear down and expose the pump. Unless you are doing your own maint., then it becomes not an issue of whether or not there is a significant failure but whether or not you want to pay hundreds more in labor if a failure occurs AFTER the 90k service.