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I don't know much aboutoil analysis but 2 make up quarts is about 1.5 more than I need in 5000 miles. It does seem high and your lead level would be even higher if you hadn't added the make up. Maybe the fuel injection cleaner had something to do with the high lead. Still, that is high consumption, maybe the 15w-50 will help.
 
I don’t think much of it is going past the rings or valve guide, it never smokes, I have oil leaks at both ends of the motor, the Delvac 1 slowed them down considerably. there is also something going on with my pcv system that I am trying to track down right now, the inside PCV line is always coated with fresh oil
 
RavenTai said:
I don’t think much of it is going past the rings or valve guide, it never smokes, I have oil leaks at both ends of the motor, the Delvac 1 slowed them down considerably.

RavenTai - What would you make of oil comsumption ~ 1 qt every 4-4.5k? I dont have any leaks on the FZJ80 (keeping fingers crossed as the FJ60 leaks like a pasta strainer!) and it never smokes at all? Is this normal for 129k mile FZJ80?

On a side note, thanks for the link above, I find all of this oil analysis very interesting, if a little daunting to begin with. I'll be doing some searching to try and get more of an understanding about oil. Currently running Mobil 1 Syn. 10/30 because thats what PO ran and thus far seems like people think its a decent oil? Also, is there a simple anwser as to what each # means for the oil? I know they are different thickness, but what is a 10/30 vs. 0/40 etc? I'll be moving from Montana to Maine in a few weeks and it sounds like I may need to consider changing weights for the winter temps.

Anyhow, thanks again for all the good posts, you seem to know your stuff!
 
1qt every 4K is just fine, you will loose some past the rings and mist through the PCV, also some evaporates at operating temps

I like Mobil 1, for the most part the only true real synthetic that you can buy at your local store, it is generally cheaper than mail order synthetics (Amsoil Redline etc) and I have not seen any independent evidence that any of the synthetics outperform the others so I might as well use something available in every town USA

Picking the right viscosity is a very controversial subject, there are a lot of factors that decide what your motor needs, I received some basic education on oil in A&P school and a lot of reading on-line but I am not an expert by any means

Oil used to have just one viscosity “SAE 5, 10, 15, 20”, ect this told you how thick it is, oil viscosity changes widely with temperature, it is thicker when cold and thins when heated, a low viscosity oil is easier to pump (important in cold weather) and gets to parts faster on startup but unfortunately it does not protect parts as well as a thicker oil, as a thicker oil will take more pressure before it is squeezed out of the way allowing metal to metal contact, also thicker oil seals piston ring better, my piston engine instructor said “you want the thickest oil you can still pump under all circumstances” although this may not be fully accurate, if all you need is a 30wt to keep the engine parts separated why go thicker? Thicker oil besides being harder to pump stealing HP at the oil pump also generates more friction on moving parts robbing HP and generates more heat in bearings

Somewhere in there is the just right viscosity for you motor under the conditions you drive it in finding out what it is difficult

Then multi weight oils came around, through different techniques you could get oil that is more consistent with temperature changes, that is where the double number comes in, 10w-30 acts like a SAE 10 when cool but does not thin out as much when heated so it is more like a 30 at operating temperature

This ratio of how much it thins is called viscosity index, higher # is more thermally stable, this would lead you to believe that we all need to run 0w-60 an ultra stable oil but to get this wide swing in a mineral oil would require a huge does of additives and viscosity index improvers, VII’s are microscopic polymer coils that expand when heated and hold oil molecules together kind of like rebar in concrete to make it act like a thicker oil, but they have draw back’s, when pushed into a tight space like a crank bearing or cam lobe the coils line up like spoon in a drawer making them less effective, this is called temporary sheer, also they are fragile both mechanical action and high heat break them down and the oil will permanently sheer down to a lower viscosity, broken and burnt VII’s are a major ingredient in sludge


Synthetic base oil can be made more thermally stable requiring less or no VII’s depending on brand and weight one of their advantages



I would follow that Australian oil recommendation chart in the other thread, Mobil 1 tends to be at the low end of the viscosity range (ie their 30wt is almost a 20wt) , so if two different weights will work for your expected temps I would go with the thicker one

For weights like 5w40 and 0w40 that are not listed you can extrapolate the range they are good for

There are a lot of other things about viscosity like HTHS #’s and noak volatility but I don’t have a good enough grasp to explain them,

For more info search here for posts by Cary our resident oil guru, he has some excellent info

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/visc.html
 
I tried the Mobile delo 15/40 and didn't like it.

Then I found out about the Shell Rotella 15/40 and loved it. Then outsmarted myself with the Shell Rotella 5/40 synth., burnt up 1 Qt. in ~2500 miles, and lower oil pressure to boot.

Naturally I went bact to the Shell Rotella 15/40 no leaks, doesn't burn, keeps the oil pressure measureable, and comes out somewhat dark but still translucent at 5000 miles. Not too bad for $6 a gallon.

JMO.
 
lurker said:
I tried the Mobile delo 15/40 and didn't like it.


Delo is chevron, Delvac is Mobil,
 
RavenTai said:
Delo is chevron, Delvac is Mobil,

Yes you are correct.

That should of read Mobile Delvac 1300 that I didn't like.

I edited my last post to include some information about Chevron Delo. My father lives by that stuff, he is a mechanic for super heavy duty coal companies, but I edited that part out because he doesn't drive a LC, but he knows his oils.

I thought that that might be a option since Delo, Delvac, and Rotilla all cost $6 a gallon.
 
Raven tai knows a lot about oil, he is just being modest. All the oils you listed (Delo, Delvac and Rotella) are great choices for mineral oils for use in temps above 40F. For temps below that go to a 5w-40 synthetic, or 5w-30 mineral oil.
 
5ppm tin is strange. Could be valve guides and that is where the oil is going?? Could also be from bearings like the lead.

My first thought (esp. based on your PCV statement) was that you had some ring sticking. But your chromium and iron are too low. I was going to recommend AutoRx...

Overall, this is a good report with a couple minor things worth watching (tin, lead).
 
tarbe said:
5ppm tin is strange. Could be valve guides and that is where the oil is going?? Could also be from bearings like the lead.

My first thought (esp. based on your PCV statement) was that you had some ring sticking. But your chromium and iron are too low. I was going to recommend AutoRx...

Overall, this is a good report with a couple minor things worth watching (tin, lead).



I had assumed that lead and tin were only present in the bearings in this motor, it could be valve guide also? that is interesting, I recently checked the valve clearance, I have one valve .001" over the allowed range the rest are all at the upper end of the allowed range, could barely excessive clearance cause guide waer? I was going take my time getting back to it, maybe I should take care of that

You are not the first to recommend an A-RX treatment, I put a lot of miles on, I may be able to get all the cycles in before winter (must be back in synthetic by time cold weather gets here)
 

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