Ineos Grenadier (2 Viewers)

[AnyMal]

I know y’all have different tastes, but in my eyes the land rover defender mops the floor with this.
Again LR design is just spot on with the retro throwback, and its practically everything you could want inside. I like the interior of the grenadier being very rugged and all, but this is obvi aimed at a very specific demographic, which I am a long way off of. Everything is relevant to price, so for $60-90k, I think were I in the market, id just buy that old Toyota and rehab the crap out of it. Unless im missing something, no one is planning on daily driving this right? You wont really need to worry about crash safety and gadgets in this sort of thing. You still need to hit the interstate to get places though. More i think about it actually the less I get it. Can someone tell me what the point was again? A very basic interior and a very complicated engine, high entry price point, Im not sure I understand. Its a nice toy to have probably, but what is this competing with outside of trucks made several decades ago?

Nostalgia cash grab?

 

[mdh384]

I really wanted these to be a $60k option. At the $90k price point I'd be seriously considering waiting a couple more years then importing a Td5 Defender 110, 4.2TD Patrol, or a LC105 and doing a restomod. Nowhere near as comfortable or as turn-key... but at least they're stick axle/coil/lockers. Although honestly, might as well just buy a Wrangler.

 

[Tex68w]

105's will be a thing here going forward and I for one hope to import and register one. I'd take two of those with 100K on the clock over one of these. We were expecting $60-70K, even the guys on the Portal podcast said the same and yet we are looking at $80-95K, what a joke, especially when you combine all of the other drawbacks. A near miss.

 

[40Man]

That's a big nut on a new vehicle with a BMW engine and uncertain US support. Good luck.

Thankfully I have big ****in nuts.

 

[Madtiger]

The fact that they did not let anyone drive it on the highway is telling, no? No one sees this as rather odd for a vehicle that is very close to public release?

My 101% guess…atrocious handling (probably worst than or on par with Wrangler LWB) and tons of wind/road noise (đue to cost cutting insulation and cheap windows).

 

[AnyMal]

Thankfully I have big f***in nuts.

If its built well, I don't think its a bad purchase at all @40Man! You can build a pretty well equipped defender for the cost to compare though, I would lean that way personally. I think this works well for a classic and for those looking for this sort of thing. I wonder how comfortable it is though. I place that very high on the priority list. Is that the color you're getting?

 

[gasman4u]

The fact that they did not let anyone drive it on the highway is telling, no? No one sees this as rather odd for a vehicle that is very close to public release?

My 101% guess…atrocious handling (probably worst than or on par with Wrangler LWB) and tons of wind/road noise (đue to cost cutting insulation and cheap windows).

I think it has to do with how the vehicle is titled. IIRC, the prototype tag (or whatever they've got slapped on there) cannot drive "on road."

But yes, I'd be wary of how it handles on pavement too.

I just checked out the new defender and it looks great to be priced the way it is. If you're REALLY handy you'll be able to get one for much cheaper in a few years too. But it still is and will always be a Land Rover product.

 

[AnyMal]

But it still is and will always be a Land Rover product.

That is precisely why I'm here! The used prices are absurdly cheap too.
So if you have parts access, and do your own work, it may be a doable purchase.
Not for ever going remote though.

The grenadier how I've configured it is $85k. Its still $10k less than what an LC 300 would have been.
If they can pull off the comfort and drivability, thats not bad. It will be interesting to see how it sells.
We don't have an LC here in the states, and the LX 600 (ew) is not this.

If you look at it like a half price G, or a more rugged Defender, I don't think its a bad option.
If I needed a 4x4, I would def consider it.

 

[40Man]

The fact that they did not let anyone drive it on the highway is telling, no? No one sees this as rather odd for a vehicle that is very close to public release?

My 101% guess…atrocious handling (probably worst than or on par with Wrangler LWB) and tons of wind/road noise (đue to cost cutting insulation and cheap windows).

The prototypes they have here are not street legal. No airbags, etc. They are licensed as ORVs and cannot legally be driven on roads or insured. Many people in Europe and AUS have said the street manners are very good. The consensus is they are surprisingly quiet and well insulated.

 

[40Man]

If its built well, I don't think its a bad purchase at all @40Man! You can build a pretty well equipped defender for the cost to compare though, I would lean that way personally. I think this works well for a classic and for those looking for this sort of thing. I wonder how comfortable it is though. I place that very high on the priority list. Is that the color you're getting?

LR has so many problems though. I'm hopeful that the IG will be a better build.

 

[40Man]

If its built well, I don't think its a bad purchase at all @40Man! You can build a pretty well equipped defender for the cost to compare though, I would lean that way personally. I think this works well for a classic and for those looking for this sort of thing. I wonder how comfortable it is though. I place that very high on the priority list. Is that the color you're getting?

Yes, this is the color I am leaning towards. I was going for magic mushroom until I saw it in person. It was bleh. The metallic blue looked amazing in person. I usually would not go for blue, but it just fits. The Recaro seats are very comfortable offroad. Forum users have stated that they are very comfortable so far. I'm guessing it will be better than Toyota, which is not known for seat comfort. They are limited to 4,999 per year in the U.S. due to CAFE requirements, so the market won't get oversaturated (pros and cons to that).

I have 29 days to get my order in, and I'll wait a bit to get as much info as possible, but so far people seem very happy with initial quality and performance, but they haven't been on the road long. I think I'll have a better idea before I have to pay in November/December. Worst case I back out and lose my $450 deposit I made in 2021.

 

[AnyMal]

Yes, this is the color I am leaning towards. I was going for magic mushroom until I saw it in person. It was bleh. The metallic blue looked amazing in person. I usually would not go for blue, but it just fits. The Recaro seats are very comfortable offroad. Forum users have stated that they are very comfortable so far. I'm guessing it will be better than Toyota, which is not known for seat comfort. They are limited to 4,999 per year in the U.S. due to CAFE requirements, so the market won't get oversaturated (pros and cons to that).

I have 29 days to get my order in, and I'll wait a bit to get as much info as possible, but so far people seem very happy with initial quality and performance, but they haven't been on the road long. I think I'll have a better idea before I have to pay in November/December. Worst case I back out and lose my $450 deposit I made in 2021.

Nah dog, flip it if anything.
I know the market is not what it was but people don't seem to get that.
They will bid up anything until the obvious bottom. Then they will still hit the hopium pipe hard lol.

Just dont sell any LCs please.

 

[Adrenaline6]

Hey, there is a rumor of an LC coming back to the states. It won't be the 300 due to the LX600, so some are wondering if it will be a purpose built budget priced 80. Wouldn't that be crazy!

 

[Tex68w]

Hey, there is a rumor of an LC coming back to the states. It won't be the 300 due to the LX600, so some are wondering if it will be a purpose built budget priced 80. Wouldn't that be crazy!

We can dream.

 

[40Man]

Hey, there is a rumor of an LC coming back to the states. It won't be the 300 due to the LX600, so some are wondering if it will be a purpose built budget priced 80. Wouldn't that be crazy!

Most of the noise says it will be a LC Prado. If so I'll get one and sell my 4Runner. I highly doubt Toyota will bring a new solid front axle cruiser to the states ever again.

 

[Adrenaline6]

Most of the noise says it will be a LC Prado. If so I'll get one and sell my 4Runner. I highly doubt Toyota will bring a new solid front axle cruiser to the states ever again.

Yea...I heard that is a possibility too. It's just that the only thing that doesn't make sense there is, like the 300, why bring a Prado, when we have the new GX being released very soon?

 

[AnyMal]

Ain’t happening. It will be an FJ cruiser relaunch by my guess and the chatter.
Don’t make sense to bring back a failing product because all of 12 people are sad.

They cant cannibalize the 4R or GX, that would be asinine. So def no prado.
The Sequoia is back too with a solid axle. And the LX 600 is there for all those with zero taste, lol sorry.

Where is the 300 supposed to exist?

 

[Tex68w]

Where is the 300 supposed to exist?

In my garage if it were sold here lol.

In all honesty I believe it'll be some sort of FJ Cruiser relaunch, something to compete directly with the Wrangler and Bronco.

 

[Madtiger]

Ain’t happening. It will be an FJ cruiser relaunch by my guess and the chatter.
Don’t make sense to bring back a failing product because all of 12 people are sad.

They cant cannibalize the 4R or GX, that would be asinine. So def no prado.
The Sequoia is back too with a solid axle. And the LX 600 is there for all those with zero taste, lol sorry.

Where is the 300 supposed to exist?

I don’t know…LX600 F-sport looks darn good to me…..

 

[AnyMal]

In my garage if it were sold here lol.

In all honesty I believe it'll be some sort of FJ Cruiser relaunch, something to compete directly with the Wrangler and Bronco.

Yes that actually makes a lot of sense for Toyota.
And no lol you do not need no 300 when you have a V8 and tailgate!

Although the 300 can look pretty beefy when equipped correctly. I like how square it became.