9000 vs 12000 Winch?

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I am leaning towards the 9000 but have read several threads on here that really only the 12k is suitable for mud extraction. Unfortunately, that's mostly what we have here in Ohio, and it's not unusual to get buried up to mid wheel (or more).

However, Cristo just told me that with the 12k and buried in mud, the bumper itself could be the weak link.

I think it's the 9000 with a snatch block - opinions?

Disclaimer - I don't have a lot of experience with winches so could use any advice - thanks.
 
I struggled with the same decision and in the end I'm going with the Warn 9.5XP. I've read many places that Warn has stated the 9.5XP is their most underrated winch. It will pull much more then it's rated on paper, and weighs significantly less then the M12k. That's my choice.

Christo has a great point, at some point the mounting location of the winch becomes the weak spot and not the winch motor itself.
 
I would have opted for the 9.5 as a compromise, but it doesn't fit the 03+ ARB bumper... so I am told.

What is yours mounted to?
 
I've been stuck like that twice, once in a friends Jeep and once in a friend's Bronco... both times we had to bring in a tractor to get us out. Where I grew up, those mud holes are usually super soft and super deep because the guys with blown monster trucks have been playing in them. I've never been in a big enough rig to find any glory in those holes.
 
pegasis0066 said:
I would have opted for the 9.5 as a compromise, but it doesn't fit the 03+ ARB bumper... so I am told.

What is yours mounted to?
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Are you sure about this? You might be confusing it with the 9.5ti which has the integrated solenoid.
 
Anthony.L said:
I struggled with the same decision and in the end I'm going with the Warn 9.5XP. I've read many places that Warn has stated the 9.5XP is their most underrated winch. It will pull much more then it's rated on paper, and weighs significantly less then the M12k. That's my choice.

Christo has a great point, at some point the mounting location of the winch becomes the weak spot and not the winch motor itself.
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Both would pull the 100, but the way I look at it is, underrated or not, its the ratings that matter. A 100 could probably pull a 10,000 trailer if you wanted to, but that doesn't mean you should. A modded cruiser easily weighs 6000lbs by itself, not counting gear and fuel. Add to that the resistance from the mud, sand, snow, or whatever else is in the way and you will easily reach 9500lbs of load. Even if warn underrated the winch, there is still bound to be some underlying reason for them to leave the rating at 9500lbs.

The mounting of the winch shouldnt be a concern, if the bumper can accept an M12000, then it should be fine. The only thing to worry about are the welds, which i doubt slee or ARB would sell a bumper with crappy welds, and the bolts holding it to the 100. Now im not expert on harware, but I do know that the shear strength of the bolts used in these applications usually around 30k-50k lbs. To give you an idea, the puny little pin for the trailer hitch has a shear rating of 75,000lbs!!! It only costs $3 at home depot and keeps my 5000lb boat attached to the back of my 100......i highly doubt you will break anything winching with an M12000, even with a snatch block.

One last thing, the reason the M12000 weighs more is because it has thicker 3/8" cable and the cable is 25' longer than the cable on the 9.5XP

pegasis0066 said:
I would have opted for the 9.5 as a compromise, but it doesn't fit the 03+ ARB bumper... so I am told.

What is yours mounted to?
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ARB site says the M12000 fits the 03+ bumper
 
pman said:
Both would pull the 100, but the way I look at it is, underrated or not, its the ratings that matter. A 100 could probably pull a 10,000 trailer if you wanted to, but that doesn't mean you should. A modded cruiser easily weighs 6000lbs by itself, not counting gear and fuel. Add to that the resistance from the mud, sand, snow, or whatever else is in the way and you will easily reach 9500lbs of load. Even if warn underrated the winch, there is still bound to be some underlying reason for them to leave the rating at 9500lbs.

The mounting of the winch shouldnt be a concern, if the bumper can accept an M12000, then it should be fine. The only thing to worry about are the welds, which i doubt slee or ARB would sell a bumper with crappy welds, and the bolts holding it to the 100. Now im not expert on harware, but I do know that the shear strength of the bolts used in these applications usually around 30k-50k lbs. To give you an idea, the puny little pin for the trailer hitch has a shear rating of 75,000lbs!!! It only costs $3 at home depot and keeps my 5000lb boat attached to the back of my 100......i highly doubt you will break anything winching with an M12000, even with a snatch block.

One last thing, the reason the M12000 weighs more is because it has thicker 3/8" cable and the cable is 25' longer than the cable on the 9.5XP



ARB site says the M12000 fits the 03+ bumper
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I imagine that in general it's not so much that the bolts holding the bumper/plate are likely to fail, or the welds, more the bumper or the plate material itself that could deform.

General comment: I would think that if you use a block and double up, you should make sure to tie the hook securely to the body itself and not to the bumper to reduce the chance of problems along those lines.

Oh, and I'm repeating myself, but do keep in mind that the M12000 has to be mounted feet forward unless some serious bracing up front is used.

Btw, FWIW, I would have been fine with the 9.5XP rather than the M12000 on the 80 (heavier than a 100).
 
e9999 said:
Btw, FWIW, I would have been fine with the 9.5XP rather than the M12000 on the 80 (heavier than a 100).
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Not trying to say your wrong, but i kinda find that hard to believe:eek:

I should also point out that where i live, if you need a winch, your stuck in Clay/mud.....thus greater capacity=better
 
pegasis0066 said:
I am leaning towards the 9000 but have read several threads on here that really only the 12k is suitable for mud extraction. Unfortunately, that's mostly what we have here in Ohio, and it's not unusual to get buried up to mid wheel (or more).

However, Cristo just told me that with the 12k and buried in mud, the bumper itself could be the weak link.
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Not as much a weak link, but due to the bumper / mounting design where the brackets bolt to the frame and the bumper then to the brackets, we have seen the bumper shift on the mounts. More likely to happen with a M12k than a smaller winch, but then again if you are stuck and the only thing that is going to get you out is a bigger winch, you do not have much option.

The 9.5XP is a really good winch, however it does not fit the 03" Combination ARB bumper. If I remember correctly the interference was between the heatsink on the motor and the mounting bracket. I do have to double check this though.
 
pman said:
Not trying to say your wrong, but i kinda find that hard to believe:eek:

I should also point out that where i live, if you need a winch, your stuck in Clay/mud.....thus greater capacity=better
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I didn't say that the 12000 would not pull harder than the XP, I said I would be fine with the XP. What's hard to believe about that?
 
e9999 said:
I didn't say that the 12000 would not pull harder than the XP, I said I would be fine with the XP. What's hard to believe about that?
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It sounded like you were saying an 80 is heavier than a 100, thats what I find hard to believe. I wasn't referring to the winches.
 
I respect the formulas. But real world success or failure weighs more with me...on most every purchase I make. If I were to remain fixed on only running a winch that was properly rated for my rig set-up I'd still be stuck...for the past 4-years. There just isn't room for a 16.5T winch on my bumper.

What I can recommend, that will benefit everyone FAR more, is either taking a good recovery method class/training OR having someone, especially from the rigging industry, show you 'the ropes' so to speak ;). And get to know the laws of leverage...as like me I suspect its been a few years since high school for some of us here ;)

Your potential for injury (truck and/or humans) starts after you make your winch selection. Yet most of us spend far more time on the winch selection process than learning the proper, safe and established methods of using said winch.

You can either argue whether or not the 9.5XP is qualified to pull a 9k+lb rig out of some pretty precarious "stuck" situations or not; but I've got real world proof for you. But I've never wanted for more winch in my off-road travels...its that good. Anything will fail at a given point. If you need to plan for the .1% possibility, regarding pulling strength, then that's what you should do...but planning for the 99.9% is good enough for me. If a recovery event comes along that might surpass my 9.5XP's ability then I start looking for my snatch block(s) ;) and line extensions...which I do carry BTW.

Be safe out there!

Rant over.
 
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sleeoffroad said:
The 9.5XP is a really good winch, however it does not fit the 03" Combination ARB bumper. If I remember correctly the interference was between the heatsink on the motor and the mounting bracket. I do have to double check this though.
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I hate to dig up old threads.... but really? I have seen several people have installed these. Can any one confirm? Slee's webs site says the 9.5xp fits..... And does this statement relate to the overall length of the 9.5xp? I am trying to figure out if I can fit a Superwinch EP9.0

Thanks guys!
 
Mxndrnks said:
I hate to dig up old threads.... but really? I have seen several people have installed these. Can any one confirm? Slee's webs site says the 9.5xp fits..... And does this statement relate to the overall length of the 9.5xp? I am trying to figure out if I can fit a Superwinch EP9.0

Thanks guys!
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I'll let you know. I should be receiving my EP9.0 next week.
 
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