Maybe Toyota will follow suit:
http://gas2.org/2013/06/27/2016-jeep-wrangler-definitely-getting-diesel-engine/
http://gas2.org/2013/06/27/2016-jeep-wrangler-definitely-getting-diesel-engine/
Wake Up Toyota
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they may follow suit........but they it still won't have a solid front. 
If I ever get a newer suv.... i'll be taking a long hard look at a 4dr one in a few years.
Won't ever agree with the price tag that would come with the 200 and i'm not a fan of the baby cruiser.
If they put one in the 4runner i'd be interested.
If I ever get a newer suv.... i'll be taking a long hard look at a 4dr one in a few years.
Won't ever agree with the price tag that would come with the 200 and i'm not a fan of the baby cruiser.
If they put one in the 4runner i'd be interested.
240hp and 420 lb/ft??? Jesus. They're going to sell like hotcakes.
In all seriousness though, for just a bit more than $7k, you can put a Cummins or Isuzu diesel in your LC and still have the space of a wagon.
In all seriousness though, for just a bit more than $7k, you can put a Cummins or Isuzu diesel in your LC and still have the space of a wagon.
True... it comes down though to new vs used. Some want something new with a factory backed warranty and no problem getting parts or getting it serviced as it was factory. Others can do with used and custom.
That's why I said if I look at a new SUV i'd take a hard look.
I do really like the look of the 4 doors and the fact that it has a removable top.
Now if Toyota made a 4 door 40 series style rig with a diesel and put it up against the jeep i'd take the yota any day.... but that will never happen.
Would I rather have my 80 with a balanced and blue printed 4bt( or a YOTA 1-HDT-FE) or the jeep... my 80 would win of course.
On a side note the 1500 Ram will also get a diesel this year making it the 1st 1/2 ton truck since the 6.2 in the 80 models GMs.
The Grand Cherokee will also get a diesel this year making it the first 4 door SUV to get a diesel in the US (not counting the mega suv's like the suburban or excursion) since the very under powered diesel trooper went away in the early 90s.
As much as we love to bash on jeep and chrysler products here I give them a big thumbs up for doing this. Although i'm sure Fiat had a lot to do with it.
Maybe this will prompt GM to use the thousands of completed 4.5 duramax's that are just gathering dust or force ford to finish the development of the 6 cylinder powerstroke.
Hell if they do well enough toyota may even enter the arena.
The Grand Cherokee will also get a diesel this year making it the first 4 door SUV to get a diesel in the US (not counting the mega suv's like the suburban or excursion) since the very under powered diesel trooper went away in the early 90s.
As much as we love to bash on jeep and chrysler products here I give them a big thumbs up for doing this. Although i'm sure Fiat had a lot to do with it.
Maybe this will prompt GM to use the thousands of completed 4.5 duramax's that are just gathering dust or force ford to finish the development of the 6 cylinder powerstroke.
Hell if they do well enough toyota may even enter the arena.
The diesel JGC is selling for about 60k. NUTS. No way would I EVER spend that kind of coin on a Cherokee. It's a $7,500 option so assuming that will be the same on a Wrangler would put it north of $40K :0
It is a luxury SUV after all so that is expected...... we will have to wait and see on the price of the wrangler. Base price on 4 door wrangler is $25,795 so aroudn 33k for the diesel if that is the option price.
2 door is around 22k so under 30k for diesel version.
Its success will determine the willingness of others to follow suit so I wish them all the success in the world. If they do make a diesel 4runner though i'd expect the price to be over 40k since base price is 32-33k and can be as high as 42k already for a fully optioned one.
2 door is around 22k so under 30k for diesel version.
Its success will determine the willingness of others to follow suit so I wish them all the success in the world. If they do make a diesel 4runner though i'd expect the price to be over 40k since base price is 32-33k and can be as high as 42k already for a fully optioned one.
Actually, they also put the old 6.5l turbo diesel in them as well. I had a '96 GMC 1500 I bought new with one. For a LD diesel, it was a damned nice rig.
But yeah, I do hope that the deisel engine becomes more popular, though I will not be holding my breath for Mr. T to bring a factory diesel to the US any time soon.
Yeah, the base sport is 25k - not sure they'll be putting the $7500 powertrain option in many of those, so I was looking at pricing on other models. Sorry, but a Cherokee is still just that - a Cherokee.... I just can't put it in the same category with 60k SUVs (just my personal opinion after owning one for several years).
I hope they sell like hotcakes too - because I'm all for adding diesels to the US market. I'm just not sure there are a lot of folks willing to pay for that option. The 1500 I think will sell extremely well with that motor for people with larger boats. Perfect tow vehicle w/o having to go to 3/4ton.
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I hope they sell like hotcakes too - because I'm all for adding diesels to the US market. I'm just not sure there are a lot of folks willing to pay for that option. The 1500 I think will sell extremely well with that motor for people with larger boats. Perfect tow vehicle w/o having to go to 3/4ton.
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You're right I meant to say 6.5 and 90's but for some reason typed 6.2 and 80's
I could see toyota doing it in cars and trucks if
A. the Jeep and Ram sell well
and
B. the diesel mazda 6 sells well and then honda releases the diesel accord like they are hinting at.
Hold the phone.... I just learned that in response to the diesel wrangler toyota just released a special SUV to keep us as customers
http://jalopnik.com/lets-discuss-th...ource=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Well at least they have a buyer in Adam
http://jalopnik.com/lets-discuss-th...ource=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Well at least they have a buyer in Adam
Wasn't there a WK grand cherokee with the 3.0 litre diesel? The same one that came in the liberty?
The last Gen grand came with a 3.0 mercedes diesel
The liberty came with a 2.8 VM Diesel
The liberty came with a 2.8 VM Diesel
I suspect Chrysler won't make the diesel option available in base or mid-level trim levels, just as they did w/ the Grand Cherokee. Thus I wouldn't expect to see a diesel Wrangler in any configuration for <$30k; it'll probably be in Sahara and Rubicon trims. The most basic JGC w/ diesel starts at $40k, good luck getting one though.
The Germans are positioning diesels as the premium models: e.g. the Golf TDi has many options that would drive the price of a gasser way up, the Jetta and Passat TDi's are well appointed; Audi and BMW are doing the same; even Mercedes diesels are appointed better than the gassers (they can be optioned up). I suspect we have GM to thank for this - everyone has to overcome the stigma of that failure, and of the diesel as suitable only for a tractor.
The great thing is in a few years, hopefully there'll be a lot of the 3.0 Chrysler diesels around for transplanting. No offense, but the current fad in swaps renders the donor vehicle wholly unpleasant except for trail use.
The Germans are positioning diesels as the premium models: e.g. the Golf TDi has many options that would drive the price of a gasser way up, the Jetta and Passat TDi's are well appointed; Audi and BMW are doing the same; even Mercedes diesels are appointed better than the gassers (they can be optioned up). I suspect we have GM to thank for this - everyone has to overcome the stigma of that failure, and of the diesel as suitable only for a tractor.
The great thing is in a few years, hopefully there'll be a lot of the 3.0 Chrysler diesels around for transplanting. No offense, but the current fad in swaps renders the donor vehicle wholly unpleasant except for trail use.
I respectfully disagree and challenge that statement with an offer to drive my cruiser for as long as you'd like, whenever you'd like. I feel a diesel swap not only increases trail prowess, but also adds significantly to the drivability of an underpowered, although reliable, 20+ year old land cruiser. Reliability with a diesel swap is maintained if not enhanced, assuming the swap is done properly, you increase the vehicle's range, and more often than not, parts availability greatly increases.
Hijack over.
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To add, if by "unpleasant" you mean loud with lots of vibrations, then I will say that the noise level is a little bit higher, but only really at idle. Vibes are about the same for me, since I had hard mounted my 2f.
Noise was significantly decreased on my swap with spectrum liner and a carpet. It'd be even better with insulation (I have none currently). The exhaust mike and I built a couple of weeks ago made the truck as quiet at speed as my 2f.
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I'd agree with all those points
I don't. Having spent time in 80s and 60s with the 4BT, imho they are about the same as the M48A5 and M60A3 tanks I was on as far as everyday livability. Sorry but soundproofing doesn't reduce much noise or the inherent vibrations on a pre-90's vehicle that was not real quiet to begin with, and certainly hasn't gotten any quieter the past 23-25 years.
I don't dispute the benefits of diesel: I'm just saying the new diesels are more refined, they are being positioned as high-end models to overcome the stigmas of GM's 70's experiment and being suitable only for farm implements and landscape trucks. The manufacturers are doing a good job of repositioning them, which is good all the way around except for buy-in price. Kudos to Chrysler!
Assuming the Chrysler/Fiat 3.0 TDi is reliable, they've hit a home run. And if it is reliable and the Wrangler hits EPA-rated 30mpg highway and ~$30k, I'm likely in. I'll just pretend it's a 70 Series.
reliable and the Wrangler hits EPA-rated 30mpg highway and ~$30k, I'm likely in. I'll just pretend it's a 70 Series.
Hey now, no stealing my idea.....
No I also agree with you about 4bt's they aren't for everyone. But there are more options out there than just that engine.
