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my son bought a 86 fj60 last month. it has a vibration starting at 50 mph and gets worse as speed increases. you can feel it in seats and floor. transfer shifter has vibration in it but not transmission shifter. it makes dash vibrate and rattle. i tightend rear pinon nut about half a turn. jack up rear and brought speed up. at about 45 you could see vibration in front part of driveshaft. rear of shaft looked to be stable with no vibration. i suspected bent or out of balance shaft. bad u-joint or worn splines in slip joint. took drivelines to driveline shop. they said u-joints were al good. shaft was fine and in balance. he said front shaft splines had a little wear but not enough to replace. did not charge anything as needed nothing. then checked front and rear output flanges on transfer case. they have no loosness or wobble. wheel bearings are good. tires were almost new BFG 31x10.50. bought new BFG 31x10.50 and balanced. installed 4 new monroe magnum shocks.still have same vibration. we changed fluids in transmission and transfercase. cleaned old grease from u-joints and shaft then re-greased all joints. still has same vibs. do you think transfer case bearing are bad even though they feel ok? what about bad gear or gearshaftin transfercase? HELP!
 
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the fj60 is completly stock. stock suspension. the shocks we took off were toyota originals. rig has 177,000 miles. running stock toyota wheels. ran tires on another fj62 and rode perfect. thanks, Larry
 
i was just looking at nuclearmom post today of her fj60 she is pissed with.. in pics the rear driveshaft looks like it is mounted backward. on my 60 the slip joint yoke is bolted to the flange on transfer case. does it matter? guess not if it is in balance.
 
I don't think it matters which way the slip yoke points....esp as you say if it's balenced.

Did you check to see of the u-joints were in aligment? Maybe it's called in phase? I'd assume the driveline shop would check this, but it could easily explain the vibration.
 
the u-joints are in phase. i marked them and when i got them back from driveline shop they were in same location. still looking.
 
nmbuckaroo said:
i was just looking at nuclearmom post today of her fj60 she is pissed with.. in pics the rear driveshaft looks like it is mounted backward. on my 60 the slip joint yoke is bolted to the flange on transfer case. does it matter?

nap .. dosen't matter .. mine have this orientation ..

other more radical option ( never seen in a cruiser ) bented axle shaft .?
 
is there any play at the transfer case?
 
If your driveline is in good shape and you have ruled everything else out one thing to think about is the gear on the output shaft of the tranny. If the splines are worn on the shaft and the gear it will allow the gear to move independant of the shaft causing a vibration.

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Pictured above is an overly worn shaft.

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Above, good splines on the right worn splines on the left. Notice the sharp tips on the splines on the left.

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Close up of worn splines.

Just something to think about if all else fails and you decide to open up the t-case. Good luck.
 
Wheel Bearings

What About Your Wheel Bearings?
Did You Check Those While The Wheels Were Off?
 
i really appreciate the help from you guys. on the issues since my last post:
tapage- i will check the axles but it may be next week. i will look at rear wheel bearings and diffenential bearing all at same time.

brett76- transfer case has zero play at rear flange mount. however the front flange has some gear play. in other words turning flange right to left about 1/4 inch each way.
aseif007- those photos are very helpful. i was hoping i would not have to go into the case but my gut feeling from test driving is that it is indeed from the transfer case.

fatkidrb- i checked front wheel bearings and they are ok. i will look at rear when i look at axle shaft and differential next week.

thanks again, Larry
 
anybody else have any ideas. i will try anything.
 
still looking
 
ttt
 
This may be way off base, but what about tire balance and alignment?
 
the cruiser had the vibration when we bought it last month. got alignment but still had vib. it had 235-75-15 pirelli norseman on stock wheels. we traded the tires and wheels for the 31-10.50-15 BFG on aftermarket wheels off my fj40.same vib. the 40 still had good ride with pirellis. took another set of stock wheel from our fj62 and went to discount tire and put on a new set of BFG 31-10.50-15. still has same vib. the fj62 with tires and wheels off fj60 ride fine. the vib comes from seat and floor. steering wheel is always smooth. now i am douting the driveline shop. i am thinking of building another driveshaft before going into transfer case. so the only thing i know for sure is it is not the tires and we now have 12 new tires that are good.
 
how about your motor mounts? are they cracked? you may have to put a jack under the motor and gently lift it a bit to see as they may appear to be O.K. by just eyeballing them.

easier than pulling the t-case and a whole lot easier to fix too....

hth,
-dogboy- '87 FJ60
 
nmbuckaroo said:
now i am douting the driveline shop.

Based on your first post (vib at 45 mph and over, rear driveshaft) I think you could be right to suspect the driveline shop. Sure, could be the output shaft of the transfer, but also could be the driveshaft. Easier to check the driveshaft...
 
GOOD NEWS. i took drive shaft out again and took it to a different driveline shop. after a one minute inspection, he said rear u-joint needed replacing. he showed me a very slight movement. when he pressed out the u-joint, 2 of the caps had a wear grove. he said slpine were good. he balanced shaft had to weld 2 washers on. when i picked it up it was clean and painted. $108.00 and well worth it. the other shop didn't even wipe the old grease off or knock the grease and dirt packed in around u-joint. i guess they were too busy to work on mine so they just told me it was good.
anyway, this took about 80% of the vibration out. it is actually driveable now. i think the remaining 20% is in transfer case. while driving about 45-50 mph, there is a constant vibration on the transfer case shift lever. none on transmission shifter. if i put transfer lever in 4 high it has no vibratioin on lever. i am going to leave it like this for a while. if i do decide to look into the transfer, what should i look for. can i check anything by removing back cover or do i have to pull transmission/transfercase?
 

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