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I seem to have a bad vibration when accelrating heavily. It seems more pronounced when turning (I think turning right but not sure).
It happens at all rpms but only noticable if it's almost floored. It seems to be less noticable the higher the speed, but not relavent to rpm. Also it feels like it's the front end. Replaced engine mounts, no change. Something feels up with my passenger side tire but I can't figure it out. Same movement and slack as the other side but it just feels weird. Might not be related to the vibration.
Driveshaft just greased and ujoints and no difference.

Any ideas at what it could be?
 
You sir need a tune up.

Replace your spark plugs.
 
Just replaced them under 30k ago. Just replaced pcv valve 2 week ago and helped a lot with engine idle, so much I wouldn't have done the engine mounts if I hadn't already bought them.
Did I gum up my spark plugs by having a bad pcv valve for 30k miles? Otherwise aren't they good for like 90+k. It doesn't feel like the engine is hesitating.

This feels more drivetrain related, but I could be completely wrong. It's enough to make my rear view mirror shake, and the gf complain about it. I guess it got worse and worse and I was just used to it hahah.
 
What spark plugs did you use?
No a clogged pcv will not cause your spark plugs ot foul.
You could also have a bad coil or two.
Or dirty fuel injectors.
If it was anything in the driveline it would do it all the time and not only under hard acceleration.
Under hard acceleration you're asking the engine to do more so anything out of whack, even the slightest, will show up.
You can not drive it like that and do nothing else and be fine for who knows how long. Or it could get worse and finally throw a MIL.
 
Denso iridium plugs.
It could be coils, I replaced the boots on them after getting misfires etc. But after the boots i didn't have a problem since. It's got 190k on the original coils. (I need to drive less.... I'm averaging 30k a year now)

I guess I'll drive it around with techstream open and see if anything abnormal pops up.

I was thinking it was the additional torque of full throttle that applied enough force on something, like the differential or axel etc, that caused some strange harmonic motion that vibrated the cabin.

So in tech stream if I don't see any misfires, am I looking in the wrong spot? Or what should I be looking for?
 
Misfires won't show up unless they're "hard", meaning actual plug not firing. BUT weak spark will cause rough running under heavy load or during full open injectors, weak spark can't combust all the fuel properly. But that will not throw a code or show up during live data.
You would need to check the voltage on the coils, I do not know how to do that.
 
Okay I have a multimeter. I'm sure somewhere on MUD is the appropriate resistance or whatever. I'm not real knowledgeable in that area. Or I'll check the averages and see if one is off.

I'll check that and report my findings. Thank you
 
You're welcome. Please keep us posted.
 
Just had a thought...try and check the ohms of each coil instead of the voltage. Coils put out enough volts to kill you.
 
You are fine checking the voltage on coils, but you do need a oscilloscope and know how to read the patterns, so to a unskilled person it is a bit of a no go. You measure the voltage on the primary side and this will show you what the secondary side of the coil is doing, don't worry about dying, there isn't enough current to kill you, 30k volts does bite but that is all.

Where do you feel the vibration, through the floor, steering, just a noise?

Inner CV axle joints can do this when they start to wear, also blocked exhaust can cause a vibration noise under these circumstances. It would help to explain the vibration more? As this would give a clue to what it is.
 
Ps, even look at your steering rack bushes and inner track rod and TRE's if you feel it through the steering. Or maybe lay off the load pedal, I don't think I have ever hit full throttle.
 
You are fine checking the voltage on coils, but you do need a oscilloscope and know how to read the patterns, so to a unskilled person it is a bit of a no go. You measure the voltage on the primary side and this will show you what the secondary side of the coil is doing, don't worry about dying, there isn't enough current to kill you, 30k volts does bite but that is all.

Where do you feel the vibration, through the floor, steering, just a noise?

Inner CV axle joints can do this when they start to wear, also blocked exhaust can cause a vibration noise under these circumstances. It would help to explain the vibration more? As this would give a clue to what it is.

So I think I have a few things going on here. First I have a leak on one of the spark plugs gasket due to a bad valve cover job. So I need to get that fixed. Then address this coil issue. I think I need new one or more, but not 100 sure this is my issue.

The vibration occurs throughout the entire car under heavy acceleration. It shakes the rear view mirror and you feel it though the chassis. You don't feel it through the steering wheel like a shimmy. The vibration is more noticable at lower speeds and dissipates as you reach highway speeds. If you accelerate under light to moderate it's not noticable and can be avoided if you drive like a sane person. I believe it's more evident when making left hand turns under acceleration, but is also there on straight aways and right hand turns. I noticed the other day under very hard left hand turning at higher speed I feel a vibration, but I don't feel comfortable trying to replicate that situation.

So to recap
Vibration in chassis, not noticable in brake or acceleration pedal, or steering wheel.
Only under acceleration, more off the line and almost gone by the time highway speeds are hit.

I have done maintenance after I have noticed the issue (not trying to fix this issue, but just maintaining)
Replaced back pads and rotors
Replaced front pads and calipers
Replaced engine mounts (haven't done transmission mount.... Yet)
Replaced valve cover gaskets and spark plugs tube seals (had repair shop do this)
Replaced pcv valve and hose (should have done this sooner, love the smooth idle)
Replaced rear sway bar bushings
Added new negative terminal and ground wires for battery and engine
Greased drive shaft and u joints

None of that work effected this vibration in any way.

On my list are differential bushing( have parts), steering rack bushing (may have to replace due to very minor leak), drive shaft flanges (have parts but just waiting for time), passenger side axel reboot (minor tear but no grease leak yet).

About a year ago I replaced the passenger side inner wheel bearing with AutoZone aftermarket (didn't know I would need one and didn't have time to order timken) before HIH7 I checked bearing wheel nut torque, was loose, adjusted to spec.

Sorry for so much info. Just not sure what's relevant and what's not.
 
Ps, even look at your steering rack bushes and inner track rod and TRE's if you feel it through the steering. Or maybe lay off the load pedal, I don't think I have ever hit full throttle.
Haha I'm trying to lay off it, it's a rare occurrence, but some of these Ohio back roads limit visibility. I don't feel it though the steering at all but I know my bushings are worn at 190k and 15 years. Not a large amount of play in wheel when jacked up. Looks like steering wheel moves right with the tires.
 
So yesterday and the day before I repacked the wheel bearings and torqued to spec. Replaced drive shaft flanges on both sides and new snap rings. Greased the spindle needle bearing on both sides. One thing I noticed was rust and a lot of play, compared to the driver side, on the axel shaft/spindle on the passenger side. I believe the rusty grease was from the needle bearing. After this work the vibration is a little different, it is now under straight line acceleration and increases on left turning acceleration only.
Could a bad needle bearing on the passenger side be a cause of my issue?

Waiting till the weekend for the shop redo their work and replace spark plugs gasket then will start diagnosing coil packs etc.
 
I come from the Jeep world so when someone says vibration, especially under load, I think driveline.

Are your ujoints in good shape? Suspension arms and bushings all look good, no slop?
 
My u joints seem to be good when I greased then a week ago. I know all my bushing could be better but waiting on funds and down time since this is my daily driver. What exactly would I be looking for? My tire seems fine when I jack it up no play in any direction. I really think my upper ball joint on my passenger side is bad but i dont know how to tell.

After doing some spirited driving for half an hour going up grades, down like, coasting, turning. This is what I came up with. I think it's something with my passenger wheel.

Under any load uphill turning left it vibrates. Going straight and right it's fine. It does not vibrate on sharp left turns if you don't have the throttle on. If you have any throttle at all, it vibrates.

I replaced the inner wheel bearing on passenger side with AutoZone. It's been about 20k. But I think it's might be a needle bearing or something else. Would a needle bearing cause these issues? But the wheel doesn't feel right. Going over hills it feels like something is off. Alignment is good.

At this point I think it is drivetrain and not engine, also I believe it to be the passenger wheel. Any ideas what to check. Should I repacked and inspect the passenger side. I just packed the drive side and it was good. But I torqued down the passenger and opted not to repack.
 
So since it doesn't vibrate on left turns, does that mean my bearings are good? Or would a bad inner bearing show up more under acceleration?

And a bad axel would show up all the time, right?

Sorry for all the questions.
I am going on a trip in two weeks to Raleigh NC and then to cape lookout. So I'm trying to figure it out before then if I can.
 
That's an easy one. I'll swap wheels tonight. Then report back tomorrow. What am I looking for when inspecting the axels?
 

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