Vibration, dealer stumped, any thoughts/advice/help?

[SWUtah]

Hold yer data points there, Hoss. Two inches above full counts as blatant abuse to me, that'd be a problem on most any engine. One quart shouldn't cause any problem, this could be three or four quarts, maybe more, depending on the shape of the insides of the oil pan(s) and block. This picture gives you an idea. The machine has not been built that can withstand stupidity, not even a Toyota.

I'm wresting with what to do next. I'd like to pull the intake and look for pooled oil, I've seen intakes full of oil before. I'll at least pull some hoses and take a look, the 80 had a problem with plugging EGR hoses. If there's plugging in the hoses, I should take it to a different dealership (further and less convenient) to have things cleaned out and documented in case there's trouble later. I don't even know if there's a PCV valve, but if there is it's been passing a lot of oil the last 4000 miles. The bigger dealership's mechanics might try to protect my local dealership's mechanics, or they may relish the opportunity to make a competitor look bad.

So I guess I should not worry about mine being 1/4 inch above the full line. runs smooth as silk and no smoke and the oil pressue guage show 1/2?????

 

[scottm]

So I guess I should not worry about mine being 1/4 inch above the full line. runs smooth as silk and no smoke and the oil pressue guage show 1/2?????

No worries, that's less than 1/3 quart I'd estimate.

 

[SWUtah]

Hold yer data points there, Hoss. Two inches above full counts as blatant abuse to me, that'd be a problem on most any engine. One quart shouldn't cause any problem, this could be three or four quarts, maybe more, depending on the shape of the insides of the oil pan(s) and block. This picture gives you an idea. The machine has not been built that can withstand stupidity, not even a Toyota.

I'm wresting with what to do next. I'd like to pull the intake and look for pooled oil, I've seen intakes full of oil before. I'll at least pull some hoses and take a look, the 80 had a problem with plugging EGR hoses. If there's plugging in the hoses, I should take it to a different dealership (further and less convenient) to have things cleaned out and documented in case there's trouble later. I don't even know if there's a PCV valve, but if there is it's been passing a lot of oil the last 4000 miles. The bigger dealership's mechanics might try to protect my local dealership's mechanics, or they may relish the opportunity to make a competitor look bad.
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Great thread. When the dealer puts 8 Quarts of Mobil 1 in mine it's 1/2 inch above the full line which is 8/10th of a quart since it takes 7.2 quarts at oil/filter change. This won't cause a problem and it's the same level after 5k miles when I have it changed again. Sometimes the idiot puts in 7.2 Quarts sometimes he puts in all 8 quarts.

 

[sean2202]

In my experience I find that dealer mechanics are trained on such a large amount of cars that when it comes to fixing a cruiser that are less common than say a Camry that they have a more difficult time diagnosing and repairing it. Also I feel that they just want to get the job done in the time allotted by the book and don't put in the extra time it may need. The oil change tech is usually the lowest man on the totem pole. Sounds like bad QC at this dealer. Hope it has improved.

 

[Julian Stead]

In my experience I find that dealer mechanics are trained on such a large amount of cars that when it comes to fixing a cruiser that are less common than say a Camry that they have a more difficult time diagnosing and repairing it. Also I feel that they just want to get the job done in the time allotted by the book and don't put in the extra time it may need.

Sorry, there is no excuse for this one though, for something so simple ended costing so much. Just think if you had got charged for this as if it didn't have a warranty. Not saying the mechanic was bad, but he certainly a bad day that day. The blue smoke on start up would make you check the dipstick, I am sure the spark plugs would of been fouled aswell, all this pointing to an oil issue.

They probably had to wash there hands of it and say they can't do no more as the warranty company doesn't just let you throw parts on without question, so they probably couldn't claim anymore due to the incompetence shown, or the claim had been made by them saying it was rectified.

 

[sean2202]

@Julian Stead I totally agree with you. I guess what I was trying to say was that I don't think that the quality of work from a dealer is as good as it once was. I am speaking from my last two experiences at two different dealerships. Both had sloppy work. If I take my vehicle in for repair and they tell me it is xyz and it doesn't fix the problem I would not be paying that bill.

 

[Julian Stead]

@Julian Stead I totally agree with you. I guess what I was trying to say was that I don't think that the quality of work from a dealer is as good as it once was. I am speaking from my last two experiences at two different dealerships. Both had sloppy work. If I take my vehicle in for repair and they tell me it is xyz and it doesn't fix the problem I would not be paying that bill.

I think the main issue is that mechanics are not taught how to diagnose faults, or most at least. If your techniques are poor and are not conclusive then you just end up throwing parts at the issue in hope, the story above in that they where throwing substitute parts on instead of having a good diagnostic procedure and understanding confirms this.