V Belt size request

[love2fly]

Need to ask if anyone has a part number other than Toyota's (90916-02089) or the size (how long) for a POWER STEERING (VP)-WATER PUMP-CRANK V-belt. Cant find a cross ref. Looking to buy one for a spare and it is a pain (no pun) to do with a sprain wrist to dig in and measure or remove.
So before I give it a go - might ask.
82 FJ45- 2F RHD part in black - photo
Thanks

 

[edwjmcgrath]

Why do you need a spare? This is not something that usually fails quickly. Typically, it slowly gets glazed and makes noise long before you'll need to replace it. And like tires, the rubber gets hard whether it's used or not. So I wouldn't want to install one that's been sitting in my vehicle for 5 years.

And if you want one, Toyota still sells them.

 

[love2fly]

Okay anyone have a number?

 

[cea1]

Not 100 percent on this one, but I think its the Bando W0133-1632113. Its a metric size, 17mm x 1525. You can convert to inches and probably get a fairly close sized standard belt. You can order the Bando belts from many sources - think Toyota uses them OEM for this application.

 

[love2fly]

Thanks much I will check into that.

 

[shelfboy1]

cant you tap the engine over and look for the numbers ,most toyota belts have them on them .

 

[love2fly]

I would love to find a number or something on it but its a pretty old belt, pretty much weathered. Its a daily driver so I think I will just ask a friend of mine to stop by and measure it when he has the time.
Thanks

 

[3_puppies]

being as your rig is from overseas and the accessories are in different places than US models.
would the belt you need be the same as a US- alt, WP, crank, belt?

 

[cea1]

3_puppies pointed out the reason I am not 100% sure on the belt size. If it is Toyota Part No. 90916-02089, then that belt is 17mm x 1525mm, but I am not sure that the non-US model with PS pump on the other side use the same belt. Probably best to have your friend come over and measure it.

 

[love2fly]

3_puppies, thing are a bit different but far as size are, they are the same, as far as I can tell.
Little back ground on all of this.
The belt is a little weathered so I wanted to buy a replacement. My buddy measured the belt while on the rig and got OD of 55'.
I also have a stock PS pump that sits to the right that almost hits the engine lift bracket when fully adjusted that I want to have sit straight up.
Went down and found a parts store that had a good supply of belts.
Got the replacement size 55" (book part # 90916-02093 with tempato fan 15mm) and test fitted at the store (easy install)
Belt fit but did not change angle of PS when adjusted fully.
Tried a 43" 7/16 belt sat to much to the other direction (left).
Tried a 53" 7/8 still no real change. sits left by half.
Would love to find one around 53" 3/4 but belts are not custom for John Doe so I get what's available.
So went with the 55" and called it good. My only small concern is when out wheeling and when I am at an angle to the left of more that 10 deg for a prolonged time that the PS pump does not start sucking air due to pump mount angel and terrain angle.
I have seen pumps on FJs with a hair bit of angle (left/right) but not like mine.
Still looking for a belt that may set things straight.
Thanks

 

[MoCoNative]

I'm looking into this myself, I'm adding an FJ62 power steering pump to my 1F, basically the same setup as your 45. I just found a spec for the OEM belt you referenced above at 53.5 x 0.75 inches. Should set your pump just right from your measurements.

I'm going to order one from Toyota, I have to get several other odds and ends and will try it out.

 

[MoCoNative]

Dug some more, looks like a NAPA, NBH 2524530 is the same belt.

It is found by looking up a 1979 Land Cruiser, Canadian spec, power steering belt. They often times ask that at my NAPA, if it is from Canada, so they must have some parts listing for that. Canadian cruisers had the power steering pump in that position.

 

[love2fly]

MoCoNative, I believe that was possibly one of the belts I tried while at my local NAPA store. I will try again with this NBH 2524530 PN, who knows might of missed one. I still have had no luck. Let me know how it goes.
Thanks

 

[MoCoNative]

Well I finally got the crank pulley changed on my setup and temporaily mounted up the power steering pump and water pump. Belt 90916-02089 will not fit. I cannot physically get it stretched onto the three pulleys. I can barely get it on two of them, shame really, the Toyota belt is a good looking belt, seems NAPAs belts have gone down hill, really wanted the Toyota part on there. I'm going to take it into NAPA and try the other number above and another number I have; Gates TR22545 and see if they are different. I don't know why the Toyota belt is too short.

This is with an FJ62 power steering pump and bracket on a 1F, in the parts diagrams it looks to be the same pump and bracket used on the factory application like this, so I'm lost as to why it did not work.

 

[MoCoNative]

Well dug a little more the last few minutes,

love2fly, do you have a fan clutch???? I'm putting the 2F fan clutch water pump on mine along with the larger fanclutch WP pulley. Toyota belt 90916-02089 was way to short. But then I see you tried 90916-02093 and it was long. That number says with tempato fan, which I guess is the fan clutch. I wonder if that is the issue here, if you do not have the fan clutch, you would have the slightly smaller WP pulley. I ordered the wrong damn belt is what I did, finally saw them listed together on some Russian EPC site. I'm going to try the longer NAPA belts, see if they fit, I'm betting that is my issue. I may have a new Toyota belt for you if that is the case.

 

[love2fly]

Yeah I been keeping the rig from extreme steep inclines when wheeling just so the pump does not go dry for being cocked over to the one side for a certain amount of time. How much of a off-set do you have when viewed from the front? Mine is leaning about 2.25" from center line towards the rocker cover when viewed from the front. That's way off. I have been thinking of putting a few pieces of thin flat steel plates under the PS pump mount and head to act as a spacer to push it out from the rocker and take out the slack and straiten up the pump housing. In the long run it would work as ling as I can find a belt that I can use.
Yes I do have a fan clutch.
As I said in one of my post that Napa auto parts was real good about letting me fit all the belts that were supposed to fit, but none did.
I may of said also that only one belt fit perfect but it was a real thin green belt that was for semi truck and cost a crap load of bucks. Just to thin.
What does the belt that you had on the rig measure out at?
Since my last post here I tried two other belts with no fix to my issue.

 

[Blue77FJ40]

My suggestion would be to use a Gates belt. Measure with a rope around the pulleys, with the pump in a medial position as a start. When I added my power steering, after measuring, I had to buy a series of belt sizes and return the ones that didn't fit.

The belt:

Gates TR22625 (replaces 973)
Truck & Bus Series
11/16" x [63-1/8" his particular length]
17mm x 1605mm [his particular length]
Green Stripe II
Also known as 22 series belts

 

[love2fly]

I think I tried that number from gates but maybe wrong. Worth a try.
Is it green on the outside of the belt? If so that maybe the one I tried but was to thin.??

Took a look at it on the web-says it is the correct for year and engine but-
Product Dimensions30.4 x 18.2 x 0.7 inches
Seems a bit to small.

Thanks

 

[Blue77FJ40]

Measure with a rope around the pulleys, with the pump in a medial position as a start.

 

[MoCoNative]

I'll have to measure some more. love2fly, this is all new modifications for me, so I don't have any other belt to compare to. The Toyota belt I got thinking it would work is way too short, can't even get it on.