turbo anyone?
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good point. no intercooler either.
Also note that Man-A-Fre is fishing for interest in the AVO systems from Australia. I was down at their place about a month ago and was told that the new systems would still be about $5k plus install fee of about $1500 
That's a lot of $$$ so I don't know how many folks will be stepping up to that kind of expense.
Mike R.
That's a lot of $$$ so I don't know how many folks will be stepping up to that kind of expense.
Mike R.
Not to offend those interested in investing in this system, but the particular turbo package pictured seems somewhat rigged up. I do not see vehicle specific attempts to adapt the unit to specific vehicles with the proper heat shielding, air&oil& coolant plumbing, intake & exhaust componentry, etc. The turbo unit seems stout but I think the system is stripped down to reach this price point and so it would make for a fun project to do all the other things, that come complete with the other kits. Unfortunately, depending on what time's worth, it may make more sense to save for the other complete systems. Another concern is that there is no intercooler included so no "air cooling", also I do not see water cooling lines, so no water cooling. If this system relies solely on oil for lube and cool, it may not make for a reliable turbo? The APS systems ( not familiar with AVO ) are so well thought out and so well constructed; everything fits perfectly, everything is race spec or as close as possible, every attention is paid to preventing heat problems, etc etc etc. Perhaps I am rushing to judgement but I still think that APS is losing so much business by basically refusing to export the units to the US. I am sure that with a committment from them to export, and with a committment from US 80's owners to purchase the system, you could get close to the three thousand dollar range including the intercooler! That would be way better in my opinion than this 1200 dollar system. JMHO, no insult intended to anyone, and, I have not done due diligence on my homework with this particular turbo, so, excuse me if I've rushed to judgment and made any error. Take Care.
How much boost can you safely use?
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How much boost can you safely use?
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I am on 6.5 pounds, pretty conservative, pretty safe.
How much boost can you safely use?
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I am on 6.5 pounds, pretty conservative, pretty safe.
I called them, they were ##jerks## {edited by junk} on the phone. sounds like major hassle down the road if you are to have any issues. also the kit for fj80 is 1695.00. Kit means, wastegate/turbo/exhaust manifold...that's it. Not such a bargain.
K
...in search of a turbo
K
...in search of a turbo
bjowett
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I'd rather see a twin turbo on the 1FZ. More durable, quicker spool, more money for 2 turbochargers. 
The 1FZ should be able to take a fair amount of boost, I'd say stock internals could survive well into the teens w/o any problems.... maybe a head gasket and some head studs in place of the bolts.
The 1FZ should be able to take a fair amount of boost, I'd say stock internals could survive well into the teens w/o any problems.... maybe a head gasket and some head studs in place of the bolts.
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I'd rather see a twin turbo on the 1FZ. More durable, quicker spool, more money for 2 turbochargers. The 1FZ should be able to take a fair amount of boost, I'd say stock internals could survive well into the teens w/o any problems....
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Rumor has it that in Denver there was an 80 series with the APS (aka Safari) total turbo system running around 12 to 14 pounds. It was owned by a truly talented and apparently well funded tuner who always wanted the most in performance. Further, the rumor was that he had over 98,000 fast and furious miles on that engine AFTER the turbo was installed and that the only reason the engine popped was that he was racing it against some sports car!!! Yea, yea, I know, folklore, myth, fantasy but this is repeated by reputable sources. In fact some of you know this tuner hero mythinks. HMMM? A.P. Anyway, I agree that with some risk the internals take much more than 6.5 pounds and I know that some of the APS systems have come out of the box at 8? I am wondering about the twin turbo thing, how much lower can a twin spool up? The Safari is on at about 1050 rpm in most cases. Is a twin going to spool up much lower than that? Thanks. Cool Thread. I'm wondering if anyone is already running the turbo that was written about above for 1200? If so what the scoop? Thanks.
I'd rather see a twin turbo on the 1FZ. More durable, quicker spool, more money for 2 turbochargers.
The 1FZ should be able to take a fair amount of boost, I'd say stock internals could survive well into the teens w/o any problems.... [/quote]
Rumor has it that in Denver there was an 80 series with the APS (aka Safari) total turbo system running around 12 to 14 pounds. It was owned by a truly talented and apparently well funded tuner who always wanted the most in performance. Further, the rumor was that he had over 98,000 fast and furious miles on that engine AFTER the turbo was installed and that the only reason the engine popped was that he was racing it against some sports car!!! Yea, yea, I know, folklore, myth, fantasy but this is repeated by reputable sources. In fact some of you know this tuner hero mythinks. HMMM? A.P. Anyway, I agree that with some risk the internals take much more than 6.5 pounds and I know that some of the APS systems have come out of the box at 8? I am wondering about the twin turbo thing, how much lower can a twin spool up? The Safari is on at about 1050 rpm in most cases. Is a twin going to spool up much lower than that? Thanks. Cool Thread. I'm wondering if anyone is already running the turbo that was written about above for 1200? If so what the scoop? Thanks.
Just wondering, what mileage would be considered to high for a turbo to be installed? I've got 73K miles. Is it over the hill for a turbo??
Adrian
Adrian
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Just wondering, what mileage would be considered to high for a turbo to be installed? I've got 73K miles. Is it over the hill for a turbo??
Adrian
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My turbo was installed at approximately 75K miles, no problems at all. I have heard that a thorough examination of engine and injection systems are required but other than that, go for it. At 75K or more, I would not recommend more than 8 psi boost. HTH
Just wondering, what mileage would be considered to high for a turbo to be installed? I've got 73K miles. Is it over the hill for a turbo??
Adrian
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My turbo was installed at approximately 75K miles, no problems at all. I have heard that a thorough examination of engine and injection systems are required but other than that, go for it. At 75K or more, I would not recommend more than 8 psi boost. HTH
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I have a friend who works on one of the bill davis toyota craftsman truck teams. Within the same facility is the TRD engine development team. I'm curious what those guys would have to say about why the TRD supercharger doesn't come with an intercooler, or why TRD doesn't offer a turbo. Bill Davis Racing is only 15 minutes from my house. I just might have to take a long lunch break here soon. 
If i ask i'll post back.
If i ask i'll post back.
My turbo 80 ran 10 psi boost, making 300 rear wheel horsepower and 400 rear wheel foot pounds, with no issues, for 80,000km while I had the vehicle, and it got abused, doing 2 baja style events, but twice as long as the Baja 1000, [leading the first yr until the last day when the fan ate the radiator and finished second to the factory GM team the next year] the thing you need to watch is compression, if you decompress them slightly, you can run 10-12 psi with intercooler and premium octane fuel.
The engine out of my old 80 is in another 80 now running lpg and 20 psi boost making 370 rear wheel horsepower.
If you want a truly sweet horse power package, dont concern yourself about cost, because once you have had a turbo version, you wont ever give a supercharger a second look
The engine out of my old 80 is in another 80 now running lpg and 20 psi boost making 370 rear wheel horsepower.
If you want a truly sweet horse power package, dont concern yourself about cost, because once you have had a turbo version, you wont ever give a supercharger a second look
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yup, but note that they think Toy made the late 80 engine up to '99....
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And they still make it, can still buy them in 79 series here, could get them in 100 series until 2002 when V8 came out again here..
yup, but note that they think Toy made the late 80 engine up to '99....
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And they still make it, can still buy them in 79 series here, could get them in 100 series until 2002 when V8 came out again here..
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Just wondering, what mileage would be considered to high for a turbo to be installed? I've got 73K miles. Is it over the hill for a turbo??
Adrian
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APS will make them for 6 grand a pop in 25 lots. I'm looking into other means myself
K
Just wondering, what mileage would be considered to high for a turbo to be installed? I've got 73K miles. Is it over the hill for a turbo??
Adrian
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APS will make them for 6 grand a pop in 25 lots. I'm looking into other means myself
K
I'm not completely without knowledge on the subject of turbo's. The 6-8 lbs of boost is nearly nothing for a modern engine to see. The first thing you need to worry about is your static compression ratio, then cylinder walls, then your piston rods. My daily driver for the past year and a half is a wimpy little Honda 1.8 L engine that realisticly could handle 8 psi daily, and max out around 12 psi on OE internalls.
Are LC blocks Iron? If so- bonus! Now you just have to worry about your rods. 8-10 psi no problem. Also, milage doesn't really tell the whole story about how an engine will handle boost. The real question is compression. More specifically, are your rings leaking? Will your piston rings hold your compression well? If your compression test yeilds close to OE specs, boost away!
Oh, and the kit in the original post is just a 'starter kit', the complete kits are odviously more money, and come with better (more vehicle specific) parts including an intercooler, etc....
But, if you can scrounge up a turbo manifold for our LC engines you can fab up a turbo kit of your own using parts from other OE cars, maybe a DSM (eclipse/laser/talon) turbo, or how about a Saab unit? the choices are nearly endless, and pretty darn cheap. As for an intercooler, you can pick one up from a wrecked DSM (albeit a small one) or from ebay too. Then you just have to find a good exhaust shop for fab'ing up piping to and from the snail.
Are LC blocks Iron? If so- bonus! Now you just have to worry about your rods. 8-10 psi no problem. Also, milage doesn't really tell the whole story about how an engine will handle boost. The real question is compression. More specifically, are your rings leaking? Will your piston rings hold your compression well? If your compression test yeilds close to OE specs, boost away!
Oh, and the kit in the original post is just a 'starter kit', the complete kits are odviously more money, and come with better (more vehicle specific) parts including an intercooler, etc....
But, if you can scrounge up a turbo manifold for our LC engines you can fab up a turbo kit of your own using parts from other OE cars, maybe a DSM (eclipse/laser/talon) turbo, or how about a Saab unit? the choices are nearly endless, and pretty darn cheap. As for an intercooler, you can pick one up from a wrecked DSM (albeit a small one) or from ebay too. Then you just have to find a good exhaust shop for fab'ing up piping to and from the snail.
So let's see here. If I want lots of low end torque, a turbo is the way to go, when compared to the supercharger??? I've driven turbocharged cars before but only with manual transmissions. How does the turbo do with the auto in the cruiser?
Adrian
Adrian
