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Major Nelson

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Ok, I'm trying to make some new brake line sections using the Titan flare tool on NiCopp 3/16 brake line. The first side I attempted came out perfect....every other practice one (4 to date have come out screwed up. Here's the pic of the good side and then the bad side.

It seems like the NiCopp is twisting when I form the bubble flare (first step)...at least that's my guess. Here are the steps.
1. cut line with Rigid tub cutter
2. ream the inside of the NiCopp line with step drill bit
3. lightly sand the outside of the line to make sure there are no burrs from cutting the line.
4. Tighten the brake line down snugly, but not too tight...just looking for a lot of resistance. Think if I go any tighter I'd be compressing the tubing some.
5. Use the red lube on both sides of the die and follow the procedures. I'm using a decent amount trying to ensure the die spins smoothly into the tubing

My current thought as I type this is that I don't need to use the step drill bit on the inside of the line (maybe if I was using stainless line then i would)....but by doing it on the NiCopp I'm making the thickness of the line too narrow and it's losing its strength.

Any help or insight would be really appreciated. (I swear I can make any easy job tough the first time I do it).

Bad Flare.jpg


Good Flare.jpg
 
Seems like you're doing it right

 
have no idea why the flares are coming out crappy (first pic)....the second pic is how they should look.
 
When I did mine I tightened down pretty tight. The first couple of attempts I didn't clamp the tube very tight and the flares came out crappy, I was also worried I would compress the tube. Then I tried really cranking down and they came out much better, no problems with compression of the line. In your pics it looks like the line it being pushed back and mangled as you crank the die in. Clamp it down tight and try again. Trial and error, you'll get it.
 
cheezypoof said:
When I did mine I tightened down pretty tight. The first couple of attempts I didn't clamp the tube very tight and the flares came out crappy, I was also worried I would compress the tube. Then I tried really cranking down and they came out much better, no problems with compression of the line. In your pics it looks like the line it being pushed back and mangled as you crank the die in. Clamp it down tight and try again. Trial and error, you'll get it.
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Thanks...I'll really try cranking it down harder. Curious did you run the step drill bit too to clean out the inside...or just go straight from cutting to flaring?
 
cheezypoof said:
I didn't step drill the inside, just cleaned it off after cutting and flared it - worked fine for me
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Thanks....going to try it that way. I'm thinking the metals too soft and by drilling the inside it makes it too thin and weak causing the torsion....will be trying this first thing in the morning.
 
megolfer said:
Where did u get the line. I got some from Amazon and it was crap. I have a $300 flaring tool and it would not flare any good ends. Got line from summit and was gtg
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Great....got mine from Amazon as well. Had good ratings though.
 
I got the AGS-325 from Amazon...which was supposed to be good. I'm seriously thinking of just going with stainless instead....so frustrated right now.
 
Maybe I'll just order this from Summit then and wait on delivery...was really hoping to have this done tomorrow. @megolfer did you bother reaming the inside with a step bit and sanding the outside after cutting...or just go straight from cutting to flaring it?
 
Forcall mine I cut, drilled in to thin the ID w/ a unibit, filed, added to the clamp, oiled, put the die in, squeezed, pulled the die then finish w/ the second press. So far so good for all my lines. Mines a cheapy kit, I don’t recall the name. My only annoyance is it sometimes clamps and I get a bit of a leaning flare. But as I said, they’re all holding, Napa has the long nuts too. I can get the PN later if you want it.
 
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Ok. I’m definitely going with the thought that the issue is with this NiCopp line. For this one I reamed the inside, sanded the outer edge to clean it up. Then tightened the tool all the way onto the tubing to make sure it didn’t move. One still came out crappy. Since I’m only replacing a few runs I’m just going to go pick up some stainless line.

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Hello,

Did you ever resolve this issue by getting the NiCu brake line from Summit Racing (SUM-900314)?

I am having the same issue with crumpled and twisted flares like the pictures you posted. I think that I am also using the same brake line form AGS that you were using. AGS certainly is not a low quality brand overall but they are not at the high end of the price range for this brake line either. More expensive doesn't always mean better but I am having no luck thus far with the AGS line.

These are some of the more expensive brands of NiCu line,

SUR&R BREZ100 UltraBEND Brake Line 3/16" OD x 25' ($39 +ship)
Summit Racing SUM-220216-25 Copper/Nickel Alloy Tubing 3/16" OD x 25' ($32 +ship)
Jegs 555-635800 NiCopp Tubing Coil 3/16" OD x 25' ($32 +ship)

I would appreciate any advice,

LMHmedchem
 
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