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TNRunner95

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Hey guys, im new here. But, not a complete newb to the 4x4 scene. ive got a stock 95 4runner on 31's, 3.0/[COLOR=blue ! important][FONT=inherit ! important][COLOR=blue ! important][FONT=inherit ! important]auto[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR], and some major popping in my front axles. from what ive gathered, i can get a 84-85 axle for a little more than reman cv axles, and the cost to put them in, well i could buy trail gears SAS eliminator kit.SO, this leads to me taking sometime to gather a list of parts, and hear from some people about trial and error. I plan on running 33-35's, but i want it to be as low as possible.Im not too concerned with rubbing, ive got a saw :D. so to my questions are. front leaves, i plan on using the rears out of an older pickup, up front, trail gear highsteer kit, frame plates, front hanger kit. as for the rear. Ive heard to use 63's from a chevy. but nobody specify's what year. Could i not use the rear springs off of a [COLOR=blue ! important][FONT=inherit ! important][COLOR=blue ! important][FONT=inherit ! important]tacoma[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR], or earliy pickup for the rear? for a simple DD, weekend warrior, how do you think this will perform? anything you would add, do, or not do?
 
I wheel with a guy that is a bit on the wild side.... he ran 33-36"s at times. Every trip they/we expected the IFS to explode (plus the spiders were welded). We thought it was making crazy sounds and seconds away from exploding when he flopped it over on its top where we found it to be a broken transmission mount allowing the driveline to hit on occasion (hard bounces). Moral of my story is not that it may be your transmission mount but that the IFS is so much tougher than I ever gave it credit for oh and I am not recommending you roll it over to check as there are easier ways. He eventually sold the truck and never had an issue with it! What does my story sound far fetched?? See for yourself :D
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And IFS are cheap! Not cheap to buy a part for but cheap to pic the entire front end up! A friend sold one the other day for 50 bucks and tried to get the guy to take it all and he only wanted the third
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TNRunner95 said:
Hey guys, im new here. But, not a complete newb to the 4x4 scene. ive got a stock 95 4runner on 31's, 3.0 and some major popping in my front axles. from what ive gathered, i can get a 84-85 axle for a little more than reman cv axles, and the cost to put them in, well i could buy trail gears SAS eliminator kit
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You're bound to find someone getting rid of their cv axles from their IFS swap for pretty damn cheap.

Get some of those, install them, and save your money for gas to go wheeling.

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Here's some inspiration. Also note that a sas is planned, but that there's bigger tires with his IFS than you have planned with a solid axle. I just don't see the point unless you're breaking parts left and right.

https://forum.ih8mud.com/79-95-toyota-truck-tech/209893-jts-88-4-runner-build.html
 
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cv shafts is one problem,

another which is more severe is when the tabs that hold the bushing for the diff breaks, then you are in trouble. if seen it happen on multiple trucks

ifs have very limited flex, and that causes a tire to lift at small inclines.

sas will give lots of lift and will make your rig more off the offroad then the on road.
 
Let me guess, the nasty popping sounds are happening when you have the wheels turned hard over. If so, then it's just the steering bump stops and nothing to worry about. It can be fixed with new plastic bumpers. Somebody posted up a product that is supposed to fix the issue.
 
2ndGenToyotaFan said:
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See my reply in the other thread... Don't waste your money!!!!!!!
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X2! SAS is a deep dark rabbit-hole, and far from cheap.

Bogo said:
Let me guess, the nasty popping sounds are happening when you have the wheels turned hard over. If so, then it's just the steering bump stops and nothing to worry about. It can be fixed with new plastic bumpers. Somebody posted up a product that is supposed to fix the issue.
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And if those caps can't be sourced, just get a glob of grease on your finger, and rub it on the stopper "ramp".

Don't make routine maintenance into a project!!!!!
 
Bogo said:
Let me guess, the nasty popping sounds are happening when you have the wheels turned hard over. If so, then it's just the steering bump stops and nothing to worry about. It can be fixed with new plastic bumpers. Somebody posted up a product that is supposed to fix the issue.
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no sir, more than just at full lock. bumps, easy turning, all i hear is pop pop. I went to windrock this past weekend, and im sure that did not help them at all. but it really opened my eyes on how limited the front is. and 8-10 inch tall rock, and the back tire is wanting to come off the ground..i know its not a tube chassis buggy, but i want something i cant go out, and have fun with, and not be left on the dirt roads and easy trails.
 
TNRunner95 said:
no sir, more than just at full lock. bumps, easy turning, all i hear is pop pop. I went to windrock this past weekend, and im sure that did not help them at all. but it really opened my eyes on how limited the front is. and 8-10 inch tall rock, and the back tire is wanting to come off the ground..i know its not a tube chassis buggy, but i want something i cant go out, and have fun with, and not be left on the dirt roads and easy trails.
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If you feel your present IFS setup is holding you back, look into a Total Chaos kit, it's around the same cost of a SAS, but you can do the conversion yourself easily with no welding, and basic tools.

IFS actually offers more stable handling, and has the benefit of being a little more current parts-wise. I've seen people running stock IFS gear pull of some hairy obstacles that even the SAS hardcores had trouble with. 90% of it is driver, and line chosen.
 
Or if its what you really want to do then do it and ask all the questions you want someone here will give you advise along the way! BUT do not do it because you think you have too. Do it because you are not going to sleep at night until you do.....

Will it be a more off the trail capable vehicle with a SAS? yes...

Will it be more manly? yes.....

Will it be stronger? yes.....

Will it hold up to larger tires? A little larger

Will it flex better with a SAS? yes depending on your setup such as the spring pack and shackle length and angle

Will it look better? no not really as that generation normally looks a bit odd to me with low bulky looking on the front hanger and ewww on the rear hanger/shackle

Are there other mods such as lockers that will get you further up the trail than a SAS? YES

Are these based on my opinon? Yes :flipoff2:
 
Scrapola

I think scrap prices are up ... get your torch out and send all that IFS junk where it belongs! :p OK, hate to admit it, but I've wheeled with guys running up to 38s on the IFS and have never seen it break. All that stuff hanging down from the IFS tends to find rocks more frequently than my SA does, and my 85 rig certainly is more manly and cooler looking :flipoff2: but Toy IFS is pretty good ... Just my $0.02.
 
Dedtruk said:
I think scrap prices are up ... get your torch out and send all that IFS junk where it belongs! :p OK, hate to admit it, but I've wheeled with guys running up to 38s on the IFS and have never seen it break. All that stuff hanging down from the IFS tends to find rocks more frequently than my SA does, and my 85 rig certainly is more manly and cooler looking :flipoff2: but Toy IFS is pretty good ... Just my $0.02.
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I have no experience with it but there's some cool things happening with IFS, like the blazeland kit. From the other site:

Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board - View Single Post - SFS or Long Travel
 
Wow that blazeland kit does appear wicked at first glance. Especially if you could build some wheels that have a large backspacing (aka are flush) that would reduce the width with out rubbing on junk.
 
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