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Cruise Moab always comes up in these discussions and we take heat over the inspections not because we are stricter than others but it appears we are the only ones that actually make it mandatory. :rolleyes:



Hi Nick, I never wrote that TLCA implies or guarantees safety. What I wrote was that I had an issue with the terminology "tech inspection". It is a safety inspection, not a tech inspection.

And I further wrote that it is for participant's and bystander's safety. That's not a guarantee, but IT IS the purpose!

Jeff, I know we have had this discussion but I also disagree with the term “Safety” as it relates to the pre-event inspections. The intent may well be to make sure the vehicles meet OUR level of safety but in my opinion it should never be used to imply or infer that a vehicle is “safe’ for all situations or conditions based on a quick visual inspection.



Honestly, taking an automatic and reving it to X RPM is ridiculous. The parking brake was not made to have torque from the engine applied to it. I can take a new car and it might move at 1000 RPMS while the parking brake is set. The parking brake was intended to keep a vehicle from moving while unattended and should be treated as such. Maybe a better test would be to have a participant for Cruise Moab park on a downslope and set the brake to see if it moves while it is in neutral. I am sure my thoughts will be dismissed though.


The CM park brake test is done in the current manner because the inspections have to be done in town at the host campground. Locating the inspection area to some place with a slope is simply not practical. I don’t mean to dismiss the idea but in the past it was not as simply as you suggest. :hmm:
I believe the requirement is 1200 rpm and it is very easy to pass with a properly adjusted brake. I have never seen a rig failed in that test.
I grew up with using the "emegency brake" when I parked, now we all call it the "parking brake" but I don't think it changes the dual purpose of the system.
Think about why a secondary brake is even considered important, it isn’t just to prevent your truck from wandering off during a lunch break (an auto trans has the parking pawl for that). I would submit that the ability to stop a 5000+ lb rig coming down a steep grade after losing all or part of the hydraulic brakes requires a suitable static test. Yes I have seen rigs lose brakes at CM.:frown:
As a side note, while they work as a “parking brake”, I am not a fan of line-lock systems as fail-safe because in most cases it is not a redundant system.


Regarding the registration and insurance.
For those that don’t realize, CM is held on BLM land and requires driving on public roads to access the trails. The use of BLM land requires a permit and that permit says the vehicles need to be insured and registered so our issue goes beyond the TLCA requirements. I have offered the CM10 Safety Chairman some suggestions on how to change things because checking proof of insurance is the most time consuming and frustrating part of the inspection. Please check the CM10 website after the 1st of the year to look for any changes in the inspection requirements.

As far as passing through inspection, we completely understand when a trail rig has an expired card or when the policy just expired and you still have the old card but it is pretty easy to resolve and get you cleared to participate (as occured with Marlin, regardless of rumors to the contrary:mad:).
Personally, I get pretty sick of arguing with participants who are in their daily driver and know they are carrying expired insurance cards and try to insist the police don’t care and I shouldn’t either (you know who you are).:bang:

With that said I have an issue with the TLCA insurance and registration requirements when the driver isn’t required to show proof he is a licensed driver. I’m pretty sure the proof of insurance cards won’t do much good if the insurance company discovers the driver has no license. :doh:
 
<SNIP> I have offered the CM10 Safety Chairman some suggestions on how to change things because checking proof of insurance is the most time consuming and frustrating part of the inspection. Please check the CM10 website after the 1st of the year to look for any changes in the inspection requirements.

As far as passing through inspection, we completely understand when a trail rig has an expired card or when the policy just expired and you still have the old card but it is pretty easy to resolve and get you cleared to participate (as occured with Marlin, regardless of rumors to the contrary:mad:).
Personally, I get pretty sick of arguing with participants who are in their daily driver and know they are carrying expired insurance cards and try to insist the police don’t care and I shouldn’t either (you know who you are).:bang:

With that said I have an issue with the TLCA insurance and registration requirements when the driver isn’t required to show proof he is a licensed driver. I’m pretty sure the proof of insurance cards won’t do much good if the insurance company discovers the driver has no license. :doh:

Let me just say this -- "proof of insurance" isn't possible. I can have a card that says it expires on Aug 31, 2010, but if I fail to pay the bill in February, then that card isn't valid. How would you know if I did or didn't pay it? Having an expired card is against the law in California, but having that policy number (which doesn't change) is really the most important part. You guys need to use common sense. Seriously.
 
Regarding a parking brake, how do you test a rig that has a crawl ratio of over 200:1. I don't care what parking brake you have, it cannot stop a rig from rolling on the trail.


edit: Also, I just took my automatic explorer out and tested the parking brake. It moved at 1200 RPM. I guess I failed.
 
Let me just say this -- "proof of insurance" isn't possible. I can have a card that says it expires on Aug 31, 2010, but if I fail to pay the bill in February, then that card isn't valid. How would you know if I did or didn't pay it? Having an expired card is against the law in California, but having that policy number (which doesn't change) is really the most important part. You guys need to use common sense. Seriously.

You make a good point about the validity of the card. I can't absolutely validate the currency of that card by looking at it BUT I have done my due diligence in asking to see a current card. An attempt to provide fraudulent information should place the burden back on the particpant in the event of an incident. If you are required to show me a card show me a current card do not show an expired card and try to talk your way out of it. If it isn't current we simply ask the participant to contact their agent and fax or email a current card or information to confirm the policy is in effect. It has worked very well except for the time it takes. That has been the CM policy

Whether the current, un-expired card is valid or not is difficult to determine but an expired card is expired ... PERIOD, and should not be accepted. Get a clue... Seriously.
 
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Regarding a parking brake, how do you test a rig that has a crawl ratio of over 200:1. I don't care what parking brake you have, it cannot stop a rig from rolling on the trail.


edit: Also, I just took my automatic explorer out and tested the parking brake. It moved at 1200 RPM. I guess I failed.

Alll automatics are tested the same, in drive with the t-case in high. Manual trans are tested 1st and in high range and should stall the truck at idle rpm.
Feel free to look for situations that don't apply but a rig with that crawl ratio is not very likely to experience a runway downhill event if the brakes fail. A low time driver in an stock 80 series is another matter.


I would suggest you need to adjust your explorer brakes... :idea:
my 80 series hold fine to about 14-1500 rpm.
 
Some questions:
Do you guys frown on the use of buggies or offroad only vehicles?

Our current liability insurance only covers street legal vehicles that are also privately insured. I am working on buggy insurance as we speak.
 
I got a good parking brake test.

driver applies parking brake, then Rising Sun head honchos try to push vehicle down a slope off a clifff just outside the parking lot. If parking brake fails then you won't have to hear em gripe!

:lol:

honeslty i didn't mean to start a riot !

i just had a few questions. I know some rides are really strict and some are not so strict.
it seems like the rides that are not as strict have the same amount of issues as the super strict, hardly any.

Is this right? I would like to see a study on this. seriously.

Our franchise did a study on risks on site by compiling claims. turns out there were hardly any claims and our insurance cost dropped significantly.

I agree stuff happens, but if it is hardly ever i don't see busting someone chops over it.

You will always be personally responsible for your rig and occupants no matter how much someone tries to blaim someone else for there junk.
 
Honestly, taking an automatic and reving it to X RPM is ridiculous. The parking brake was not made to have torque from the engine applied to it. I can take a new car and it might move at 1000 RPMS while the parking brake is set. The parking brake was intended to keep a vehicle from moving while unattended and should be treated as such. Maybe a better test would be to have a participant for Cruise Moab park on a downslope and set the brake to see if it moves while it is in neutral. I am sure my thoughts will be dismissed though.

Hi Hotrod, actually that is a capital idea! We (TLCA) could change the requirements to say something to the effect that the auxiliary brake will keep the vehicle from rolling on an X° incline, or something to that effect. AWESOME idea.

While I agree that the auxiliary braking system is not designed to hold a vehicle when torque is applied from the engine and powertrain, this was adopted as a practical real-world way to see if the sucker works.

For the Cruise Moab safety inspection, we adopted the "rev it to X RPM and see if it holds" method to accommodate the increasing number of auto tranny rigs. When the original TLCA safety procedures were written, virtually all rigs at events had manual trannies, thus the 1st gear/2nd gear stall the engine business.

It can be a dangerous hobby, what we have always tried to do is minimize the foreseeable problems before they turn into somebody being hurt. That's just common sense, isn't it? And I believe your idea is common sense. There could be practical limitations as Mike points out below, but your idea is a good one, IMHO.
 

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