Look at what I said below.
See my quote above from this thread. Ive read the Samson materials plenty of times and I've pointed out what you said to many people. All splices are not the same. A direct bury has a different impact on a line than a locked brummel, and even between two splices that appear to be identical there can be differences due to the impact of the splices being made by hand and human error playing a roll. To clarify even further I added "(depending on the splice)" to the partial post you quoted because Samson specs a direct bury while many use a locked brummel. All things are not equal and I was trying to keep my explanations simple and short but that got tossed out the window with my long windedness on a later post. That's OK though...
And when load testing the effect of the spliced eye can be backed our mathematically if one is so inclined. I've seen so much happen with imported products through my experience importing that I would not one bit doubt that numbers are skewed and products are misrepresented and products even switched before shipping. Been there - had that happen - and seen it happen to others both in the off-road industry and outside this industry. I'm speaking to importing in general, and not the $109 winch line specifically.
I've done plenty of load testing and have several broken products sitting on my splicing bench that are ready to go to production. I was trying my best to not write a thesis in this thread but it appears to be turning into that but no worries. I'm happy to help MUD'rs out however I can. The products on my bench that I received yesterday were spliced all by me and I tried to make them absolutely identical - yet there was still appx 1,000 lbs of difference IIRC in the break between them - and drum roooollllll... the breaks happened at a portion of the line where there was not a splice - the same spot in all of the products that were tested. That means if there is 1,000 lbs of difference in break strength in a line in a portion that was not touched by a splice then imagine what can happen when someone's fingers start manipulating the fibers and strands of a line.
And take all that I've discussed and then throw it into an extremely fluid and unpredictable off-road environment where lines are often dynamically loaded and anything can happen. I've wheeled and beat the tar out of many products and been able to inspect many other products that people have heavily used off road. It is an extremely enlightening and very useful occasion every time I get to inspect what I'd call" tortured products". Doing so has influenced the evolution of how I splice and finish products.
Jordan345 - I'll get you some splice pics as examples ASAP. Today is going to be nuts with the sales I need to fill and get shipped so it might be Friday or Saturday. Thanks!
I missed the part of that particular post, sorry.
I was merely commenting on the post I did quote.
Good information. Some seems familiar. Carry on.
Here are a couple write-ups I did in 2011 for Wes Craiglow from Central Overland. Should compliment what you have provided here...
http://centraloverland.com/2011/04/get-to-know-your-synthetic-ropes/
http://centraloverland.com/2011/04/...rking-load-swl-minimum-breaking-strength-mbs/
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