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He wasn't a scientist, he was a fraud. Big difference there.

You could be right.

I'm definitely not a supporter/believer in ANY quick gimmick HHO add-ons, 99% of the HHO stuff out there is a scam or doesn't work well enough to justify using it, BUT I do think that sooner or later someone is going to figure out how to efficiently separate the hydrogen and oxygen molecules in water. If humanity can figure out the atomic bomb, stuff like this is not far away.
 
You could be right.

I'm definitely not a supporter/believer in ANY quick gimmick HHO add-ons, 99% of the HHO stuff out there is a scam or doesn't work well enough to justify using it, BUT I do think that sooner or later someone is going to figure out how to efficiently separate the hydrogen and oxygen molecules in water. If humanity can figure out the atomic bomb, stuff like this is not far away.

The simple reality is, it always takes more energy to split hydrogen and oxygen from water than you can get by burning that hydrogen. These are physical laws we can't break, there is no free lunch.
 
I think the claim is that the miniscule amount of hydrogen that the gizmo makes, greatly enhances the burn of the gasoline.

So you are not getting added energy from the hydrogen, you are getting greater efficiency from the gasoline.

That opinion is from the limited reading on the subject I have done.
 
The simple reality is, it always takes more energy to split hydrogen and oxygen from water than you can get by burning that hydrogen. These are physical laws we can't break, there is no free lunch.


Yes, the most common current methods used to accomplish this task are not very efficient. However, I will stand my ground and say that if humanity can figure out the atomic bomb, efficiently splitting hydrogen and oxygen is not too far away.

And again, like Einstein said: “If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it.”
 
I think the claim is that the miniscule amount of hydrogen that the gizmo makes, greatly enhances the burn of the gasoline.

So you are not getting added energy from the hydrogen, you are getting greater efficiency from the gasoline.

That opinion is from the limited reading on the subject I have done.

That's the claim yes, but the proof in the form of measured results are elusive.
 
I think the claim is that the miniscule amount of hydrogen that the gizmo makes, greatly enhances the burn of the gasoline.

So you are not getting added energy from the hydrogen, you are getting greater efficiency from the gasoline.

That opinion is from the limited reading on the subject I have done.

The claim is that some folks have figured out how to separate the elements of water (hydrogen and oxygen). If done efficiently, you could stop using gasoline/diesel/whatever and just use the hydrogen+oxygen+air.

Its a wild story that is very controversial and many folks think its possible (or has already been done) and many think its total BS. I personally don't have any proof one way or the other, BUT I don't close my mind to the idea of it being possible. These types of situations have been laughed at in scientific communities for hundreds of years, but somebody usually figures it out.
 
Of course, you can do it other ways too. E.G. mixing some hydrogen with your original fuel for a gain.
 
hi peoples well took the plunge forked out hard earned coin to the amount of $230 posted just hope it gets through aussie customs ok without them snaffling it as a mystery item of strange proportions , i also bought a PWM with a frequency adjust knob as well as amps adjust and a hydrogen drier dooova thing that catches moisture that was another $100 , it works on the idea of the fuel burning more efficiently like the diesel lpg setups some say you get a complete burn of all diesel and near zero emision out the exhaust with a little hydrogen added , so lpg helps on a diesel to supplement it yeah thats pretty much a given runs better more power and better mpg , so im hoping for something even if i can run cleaner and maybe extend oil changes a little ile be happy and if i get 50 klms extra distance out of a tank ile be peachy if i get near 42 mpg as some claim in there nissan patrol diesels towing a 28ft caravan ile dam near get a boner , will inform when is done
1 problem with these set ups is you only need 1.4 volts to create hydrogen we are usingt 12 volts so can easily turn into a kettle but thats what the pwm is for to control the heat amps etc apperantly , i dont know a great deal about diesels but im wondering why im told to run pre turbo from the sellers of such things id like to drill a hole just above the butterfly venturi whats his name thingo where the vacume hose is on inlet and run it in there could that be bad in anyway ?
this is what i got
HHO HYDROGEN GENERATOR SEALED DRY CELL KIT, WATCH VIDEO | eBay
 
perpetual motion isn't real...

...but hydrogen assist can actually help. for all you car guys thinking your mechanical knowledge translates to physics, everyone seems to have overlooked one key reality of the system:

quoting the first law of thermodynamics (energy cannot be created nor destroyed) to disprove the process of getting a net-gain in fuel economy from using power from your alternator to electrolyze hydrogen out of water, is invalid because that is not what is claimed to be happening.

The question, and answer to it, is simple: How can you NOT violate the thermodynamic law? Because you're adding another fuel source. The processes don't have to be 100% efficient to see a net gain - they don't have to be anywhere near that - because the total quantity of the 'fuels' your vehicle carries and uses is increased. It is a given that putting the added strain on your alternator to electrolyze the water into hydrogen and oxygen will make your engine work harder, and thus consume more fuel. It's also a given that hydrogen will burn with gasoline in your engine, quite easily.

So long as your adding more fuel to the whole system, via the total quantity of hydrogen that gets electrolyzed from water, vs. the EXTRA amount that will be burned (probably similar to what it takes to run your air condition = negligible) you will see a net gain in efficiency. Technically, the different fuel mixture might itself burn more efficiently (which would also help compensate against the added engine strain) which would need to be incorporated into the equation, and the formula for your vehicles efficient would technically need to be modified as well - to also account for the extra water that you have to add for the HHO system to work.
 
...but hydrogen assist can actually help. for all you car guys thinking your mechanical knowledge translates to physics, everyone seems to have overlooked one key reality of the system:

quoting the first law of thermodynamics (energy cannot be created nor destroyed) to disprove the process of getting a net-gain in fuel economy from using power from your alternator to electrolyze hydrogen out of water, is invalid because that is not what is claimed to be happening.

The question, and answer to it, is simple: How can you NOT violate the thermodynamic law? Because you're adding another fuel source. The processes don't have to be 100% efficient to see a net gain - they don't have to be anywhere near that - because the total quantity of the 'fuels' your vehicle carries and uses is increased. It is a given that putting the added strain on your alternator to electrolyze the water into hydrogen and oxygen will make your engine work harder, and thus consume more fuel. It's also a given that hydrogen will burn with gasoline in your engine, quite easily.

So long as your adding more fuel to the whole system, via the total quantity of hydrogen that gets electrolyzed from water, vs. the EXTRA amount that will be burned (probably similar to what it takes to run your air condition = negligible) you will see a net gain in efficiency. Technically, the different fuel mixture might itself burn more efficiently (which would also help compensate against the added engine strain) which would need to be incorporated into the equation, and the formula for your vehicles efficient would technically need to be modified as well - to also account for the extra water that you have to add for the HHO system to work.

Oh Jebus.
This thread should be deleted. The number of know-it-all nutjobs it attracts is astounding.
 
Oh Jebus.
This thread should be deleted. The number of know-it-all nutjobs it attracts is astounding.

Indeed.

On the bright side, I reread the exchange between tofudebeast and Henry the 47th and it is still classic!
 
I certainly don't mean that in a bad way. I enjoy intellectual exchanges and this was one of the best on mud.

Cheers.
 
Oh good! This talk is alive again.

I think a better method is to add semen to your tank of fuel.

Just wack off a few knuckle drops into the tank and watch your mileage soar.

Go ahead and stick your schwantz right in and thrust a few times.

Never mind the neighbors. Let them complain because after-all, you drive a Diesel so they just don't understand.

Theoretically the spermatozoa will swim around, stirring up the fuel and thereby oxygenating it. More Oxygen=more power, right?

Also, when the little guys get to the engine, their spinning tails will add power just like little hamsters in a running wheel.

Best of all, it is all natural and organic and free.

Now Mods, please let this thread disappear. Please please please.
 
Here's a guy who thinks it works

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